now lets take them on in football....or not
GREAT WIN!A lot of good things to say, along with some things they struggled at, but I'm sure the blog will enumerate both in the next few days.The one thing that I think most people found surprising is the absence of Groebe. We did get the job done, and the rotation seemed a bit small (starters plus Coury, Reeves mainly) but I did expect Groebe to be in there somewhere.Overall, Well done guys, and congrats to Errick Peck on hitting his first bucket of his collegiate career!
Great game... lead the entire way
FWIW Bama was picked to finish 3rd out of 6 in the SEC West preseaon (Behind Mississippi State and Ole Miss), with JayMychal Green (17 pts., 10 rbs.) named 2nd Team All-SEC preseason.
Great win by Cornell. I wish we could have kept that +10 lead for longer. You can't let athletic teams get close like that.
Jeff Goodman not so impressed by the win:http://twitter.com/goodmanonfox/status/5718243453
After last years blown leads, the big win is in the bag!! Hopefully with that first win against a big name squad, the team will be confident and ready to take on the rest of the non-conference powers. I want a 12 seed!!
I'm not very knowledgeable about basketball, so I hope this blog will provide a review of all the ivy league games this weekend, plus a fair and balanced revision of how we are doing. It seems that many of our league rivals won their games, but I know little about what kinds of opponents they were facing and what it all means.
Goodman visits Harvard all the time, friendly with their staff, lives in Boston. This Alabama team will win some SEC games.
Goodman is not being disrespectful at all. To the contrary, he appears to be saying that Cornell is the substantially better team. Thus, Cornell winning at Alabama is not really an upset.What a great, great win for this program. Alabama is an up and coming team. I wouldn't want to have had this game later in the season.
What he should've said is.... very good win for Cornell, but Alabama needs to upgrade talent if it wants to compete for an SEC title.
Harvard had the most impressive win by far (I'm a P'ton fan btw). Holy Cross is almost as good as Cornell this year and Harvard beat them double digits, without a sweat. Lin was Lin. Wright was Wright. Giger and Casey had awesome debuts. Holy Cross played well...Harvard just played perfectly.Princeton had a messy, so-so win. Individually it was exciting -- Davis and Mavraides look even better than last year. But they were sloppy with the ball and didn't cohere as a team. Could be a 8-6 sort of non-conf season this year (despite the cupcake slate). Johnson's still looking for the right lineup.
Well, Goodman said matter-of-factly that Bama needs to upgrade it's talent -- seems like a slap to me.
If we take down Syracuse that would be incredible. Seton Hall deserves credit for coming to our building, that's a Big East program to respect right there. Syracuse will put a player on the floor even if they beat up a girl. We're taking them down.
Not one national ranking has Holy Cross ahead of Alabama. In fact, Holy Cross is at least 30 places behind Bama in every ranking.Holy Cross173 by RushTheCourt.net171 MidMajorMadness131 CollegeHoopsNet171 Rivals.comAlabama57 by RushTheCourt.net111 MidMajorMadness96 CollegeHoopsNet106 Rivals.com
The big test will come down to Seton Hall and Syracuse, I think the win over Alabama was good, and better than Harvard's win over a more local opponent. But those two teams have serious tournament hopes, so I just hope we beat at least one of them. I think our team's a little tired of getting kicked around by Syracuse though.
Discussion should focus on UMass. They are next up.Again, another team better than the rest of the Ivies. A W over them would be another "name recognition" victory.
Well, I look at actual games played and players returning. Not arbitrary pre-season rankings which are always skewed in favor of major conference (rightfully so in most cases). I mean, Cornell is projected as a #13 or 14 (!) by most sources. Who actually believes that'll be their ranking? BTW, when I say that HC is "almost as good as Cornell," I just mean that they are "only" one major notch below the Big Red (halfway between Cornell and P'ton/Harvard). Watch out for HC come post-season time.
* #13/14 seed, that is.
Cornell is a top 100 team in every ranking.Holy Cross is typically in the 170s.How is that a notch below?HC is closer to bottom 100 (teams 200-300) then they are to the top 100.HC's goal is to get to the NCAAs. Cornell's goal is to get to the Sweet 16.
I think Cornell could get up to an 11 seed realistically. Having followed the CAA, the average CAA champion is usually seeded about 11. I think Cornell can create just as good a resume as the best team in the CAA.
Also, Alabama barely beat a D-II opponent in their last preseason exhib (5 pt victory).So yeah...so much for numerical rankings.
P'ton fan...Understanding your point on "cruising" to victory, but the wins are simply not comparable.Alabama is a middle of the pack SEC TEAM (picked 3 out of 6 in SEC-West) with top-tier athletes and Cornell traveled 1000 miles to the deep south and spoiled their home opener in front of thousands of fans.Harvard beat a middle-of-the-pack DIVISION 1 team (~160 out of 330) after a 30 minute bus ride down the road, in a small Patriot League gym.No logical argument putting Harvards win a tier above Cornell's.
And scrimmages mean what exactly? Syracuse just pasted Albany and Robert Morris... two decent low majors.... and lost to LeMoyne. Does that mean SU is going 2-28 this year?Scrimmage results don't amount to much. Cornell beat Navy by 45 in a scrimmage... doubt we'd do that in an actual game.
We are getting emails fro D-I coaches sending congrats.Seriously... is anyone really going to argue that Central Michigan and Holy Cross are anywhere close to Alabama?Maybe Cornell is not the best team in the Ivy this year. But we will tell you this. Cornell has by far the best win so far.
Even if Holy Cross is as good as Cornell (and I don't think that's the case), that doesn't make beating them automatically better than anything Cornell does. Alabama will be better than Holy Cross this year (not to mention better than Harvard or Cornell). This is a big win for Cornell and the league, and it's great that the character of the game didn't make it look particularly lucky or smoke and mirrors-ish. They were just better than Alabama today.
The reviews I'm reading in the Alabama press (AlSports, Crimson Tide's site) right seem to be summarized as "Alabama rallied back from a 15-pt deficit". Their Alabama Basketball Blog seems proud that they did this. It's funny because it seemed everyone thought Bama was going to win but now it's all "They rallied well and never gave up against a team that was at one point kicking their ass so they should be proud".
Oh no doubt about it. Like I said, I used to follow the CAA, and mainly Hofstra, and I saw how hard it was for that team to ever get a good non-conference win, let alone get a good schedule. A win over Alabama would've been the best non-conference win for Hofstra in a really long time. This is a win we should be proud of, a lot of schools strive for a well-played game like this.
Also, Harvard beat a team that comes from a comparable conference, didn't win its conference last year, and lost to all three Ivy teams it played last year (including Brown at Holy Cross). Holy Cross loses games to Ivy teams with some regularity. How often do midlevel SEC teams lose to Ivy teams?
Reality is... Harvard looks very good, so does Princeton and Penn. So snaps all the way around for these teams.Again, the League looks so much better.But Cornell also looks much better. Last season Big Red lose this game. In fact, Cornell lost to Indiana a year ago!Just shows that the whole league took a step forward.But the league has its hands full with Cornell this year.Lot of depth in that roster. Lot of depth.
We should all just take a step back, stop the pissing contest, and enjoy a well-deserved victory.The most important things from the opening week of the season:1. the Ivy League as a whole has clearly taken a marked step in the right direction2. Cornell has finally proven an ability to close out a game.
Congratulations. Way to do the league proud!
Thanks Penn! Good luck against Nova!
Echo that.I continue to be a proponent of rooting hard for all Ivies during the non-conference slate. It'll only help Cornell's computer numbers and overall profile. The better the league looks, the better we look.Sure, some take joy in the pain of their rivals, but I am not one. As a fan, your goal should be having your program in the best position to accomplish its goals. If Cornell's goal is a good NCAA seed and the chance to make some noise, then the rest of the Ivies winning outside the conference helps further that goal.
10-18 on 3's! WOW! That's part of the storyline.Most will call this a minor upset and a solid win for our program! That tough-as-nails second half we played says it all. The guys had an answer for every Alabama challenge.Got to disagree with ANON 4:41PM. Beating 'Bama is alot more impressive than beating Holy Cross. Alot!Now, road warriors, on to the Mullins Center!!!
Congratulations to the Big Red. Any win over a BCS school, especially on the road, is enormous for an Ivy League school. And I don't care if 'Bama is rebuilding and has a new coach, most years their best intramural team would probably finish in the middle of the Ivy League.
Does anyone know where I can get highlights or the archived game footage?I've tried Bama's site, but it says the video is unavailable.
It wasn't a scrimmage -- it was an outright exhibition game. Big difference (the media isn't even allowed into the former; that's how useless it is). Anyway, yeah, let's all enjoy our respective alma mater's wins and let the rest of the season tell the tale on such matters!
Listen,If we sweep our non-conference schedule and go on to win the league, the seed's going to be MUCH higher that 11.
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