Thursday, July 22, 2010

News and Notes: Thursday Edition

Below, some news and notes for Thursday...
  • On Wednesday, Penn Athletics announced an 8-player recruiting class for the Quakers. With 14 returning players on the 2010-2011 roster, the Quakers will have at least 22 players on the court next fall and this is without counting a potential 23rd player, Maalik Reynolds, who may be invited to walk-on. Brian Fitzpatrick, a freshman who elected to transfer out of the program this spring told the Daily Pennsylvanian, “I just can’t imagine what next year’s going to be like. Just imagine practice. You only play 10 guys on the court, so you have 13 guys waiting to get in? It’s crazy; it’s really crazy." Fitzpatrick added “It’s gonna get really ugly,” he said. “You can’t have everybody happy when you have [20-plus] kids on the team.” Fitzpatrick joins five (5) other Quakers who have quit the program during the last two years, including Tommy McMahon, Remy Cofield, Garvin Hunt, Harrison Gaines, and Carson Sullivan.
  • The Daily Pennsylvanian contends there is some positive to a large roster. The D.P. writes, "The Cornell effect. How did Cornell play its way to the NCAA’s Sweet Sixteen this year? With a lot of players — 19 to be exact. And during that run, the media couldn’t get enough of the Cinderella’s seniors, all nine of them, who lived together in one house (think The Real World: Ithaca). That team and class chemistry is vital. 'It’s a built-in group of friends that you’re gonna have for your whole four years,' Class of 2011 member Jack Eggleston said of recruiting classes." The D.P., however, ignores, the obvious in making its point. Cornell's 19-player roster is substantially smaller than a 23 or even 22-player Penn roster. Further, Cornell had a very large senior class. Penn will only have six seniors next season, compared to Cornell's eight seniors last year. Further, the majority of Cornell's roster joined the program as non-recruited transfers. Penn's coaching staff specifically recruited 22 of its 23 players directly out of high school, thereby causing the roster's bloated state.

Let's begin with a healthy dose of Ivy League basketball. In case you live under a rock, Harvard’s Jeremy Lin ’10 is on the verge of signing with the Golden State Warriors. 2010 has been a golden year for Ivy League basketball: With Cornell’s run to the sweet 16, four Ancient Eight graduates playing in the NBA summer league, and Lin’s impending induction as a Warrior, fans of Ivy League basketball have certainly been spoiled. Now we're all set up for a major let down next season when Princeton will likely get pummeled in the first round of the NCAA tournament.


Penn announced today its eight-person freshman men’s basketball class, bringing its total roster size up to—gasp!—22 people. Did you know that the sky is now green, and grass blue? No, not really—that’s just what the Cornell Basketball Blog wants you to think with headlines like “Penn’s Overcrowded Roster Causes Player Discontent.” For the past few months, the Internet world has been abuzz news of the Quakers' large roster size, as though there is no way Penn will be able to manage so many players. Perhaps there should be a new reality television show called “Jerome Allen Plus 22” tracking the drama that will surely ensue next season.

The Quakers’ class is highlighted by Miles Cartwright, a six-foot-three shooting guard who received a rating of 90 from ESPN on a 100-point scale the website uses to evaluate recruits. Cartwright is rated the highest of any incoming freshman to the Ivy League by ESPN.


Anonymous said...

I can't believe Lin signing with GSW didn't warrant it's own post.

Well, I guess it's your blog so your prerogative.

Anonymous said...

Why on earth would it warrant its own post on another school's blog? What the hell is wrong with you people??

Anonymous said...

Any word on when Cornell will be announcing its recruiting class?

And yes, kudos to Jeremy Lin. Regardless of what school he went to, this is a significant moment for Ivy hoops.

Anonymous said...

Yeah Blog. I can't believe that you don't understand that Harvard is the center of the universe. I mean honestly WTF? As a Cornellian I awoke this morning expecting a Jeremy Lin splash graphic on my frickin' page. I open it and I see a Cornell graphic and I'm like what the...? Cornell-relevant news all over my screen. "Jeremy Lin" isn't even in bold text. Heck the blog theme still in Red instead of Crimson. This isn't what I come to a Cornell blog to see. I am personally outraged.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, self-centered Harvard fans why would they think this blog would ever cover just them?

Anonymous said...

I think it's important to know when teams you play against are cheating. It's not like Lin's signing didn't get mentioned at all.

Anonymous said...

The reason Harvard alumni(ae) write on this blog is because your loyalists spend half their time insulting the Crimson. No other Ivy league school is subjected to even a touch of the vitriol that I read on this site about Harvard. That is why Crimson alumini(ae) respond. I think you guys need to take a good look in the mirror and decide what is your objective. Is it to vent endless jealousy, or is it to support your university?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Nobody resented Harvard basketball five years ago.

Nobody is pointing fingers at Harvard's immensely successful football program.

It is when Harvard decided to intentionally violate NCAA rules in basketball, everyone began to resent a hypocritical, two-faced administration.

Sympathies to the loyal Crimson alumni, blinded to the truth.

Perhaps Harvard alumni should start to speak with Seton Hall and Michigan alumni.

Anonymous said...

LOL, no one is giving Harvard special treatment. Last year, or even at the beginning of this year, it was us vs. Penn fans posting dumb comments to each other. It felt like Penn fans used to drop by every now and then, tell us how they had won 25 titles, how we sucked and how we would lose soon. Now it's like they never come by anymore and it's Harvard fans who come by to tell us how we will lose soon.

I think it's because, after they started 0-10, Penn might have accepted this past year that their program was in serious decline and finally went quiet and stuck to their own side of the internet, while Harvard students became more excited about their program and started dropping by this blog more to goad opponents. That's probably all it is.

Anonymous said...

"Further, the majority of Cornell's roster joined the program as non-recruited transfers." Is that true? I only count four transfers on last year's roster, out of 19.

Anonymous said...

Someone should go to and say, "I can't believe Rautins getting drafted for the Knicks didn't warrant it's own post" and see what happens.

If it did, I bet 95% of the post would involve mocking Rautins' hair.

I don't think Commenter #1 understands how fan blogs work. Maybe u get nice little positive profiles articles about conf. opponents in the student paper but not a fan blog. If you're looking for a place to celebrate your players, why would you think it would be another team's blog? It's normal to report on League recruiting (or, recruiting violations), but to me at least it seems weird to dedicate entire posts to some other team's alumni news.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

When you remove the transfers of Gatlin, Foote, Wilkins, Coury and Groebe-- Cornell's roster of kids out of high school was quite reasonable in size.

mrjames said...

"Nobody is pointing fingers at Harvard's immensely successful football program."

Umm... plenty of people point fingers at the Harvard football program, are you kidding? There are coaches out there former and current that absolutely HATE Murphy for what they contend are myriad ethical violations (not rising to NCAA level due to the Ivies' lack of an LOI).

Also, trivial point, but I believe that the NCAA's distinction of the infraction as secondary means that Harvard accidentally broke the rules, not intentionally. You can obviously opine on whether the NCAA fell short of the realities of the situation, but the punishment, for the record, was for an unintentional violation of the rules.

The blog seems to selectively cover Ivy news, when it suits a Cornell slant (it is a Cornell blog after all). There's nothing wrong with that, it's what separates this Cornell blog from an Ivy-wide site.

Anonymous said...

One can't blame Coach Allen for wanting a couple dozen bodies around.

The 2010-11 Quaker injury parade has gotten an early start with the previously-healthy Dan Monkton possibly going under the knife any day for knee surgery that projects to have a four-month recovery time.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

To suggest other sites out there are neutral is blatantly false. Biases persist throughout and are the very reason this site was launched for Cornell fans.

Since this site was aware of the NCAAs investigation of Harvard BEFORE it was public knowledge (and hinted at the investigation repeatedly during the last six months to a year), rest assured, the NCAA did not deem the infractions involuntary.

The penalty (not the determination) was classified as "secondary-involuntary"--but it was akin to a plea bargain in a criminal context. Saves the NCAA time and money.

MrJames writes, "this blog seems to selectively cover Ivy news, when it suits a Cornell slant (it is a Cornell blog after all)." This is subject to debate, but we handle our news coverage no differently than any of the school newspapers or the other sites out there.

And we note, Cornell received very little coverage during its Sweet Sixteen run from other Ivy-type sites, even though the run was MONUMENTAL for the Ivy League's reputation. Had it been Penn or Harvard, there would be an article every hour, on the hour on some of these other sites.

Anonymous said...

Of course other student papers and other outlets look at life through red-and-blue or crimson (or whatever) colored glasses.

All cover their own team (mostly) positively.

The difference is that you do not see elsewhere is the constant focus on real or imagined issues with other teams.

Why does your obession with Penn's roster size crowd out much coverage of how Cornell players are doing this summer?

Compare the amount of ink you used on Gaines transferring with your coverage of Alex Hill leaving Cornell. I bet it was 10 to 1 Gaines. Odd for a Cornell-centric blog.

And your loopy justification on why transfers don't count in roster sizes just doesn't pass the laugh test.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Alex Hill left for reasons unrelated to basketball and remains close friends with teammates.

Harrison Gaines left after a VERY public rift with the coaching staff.

The latter was interesting and newsworthy.

As for your other point-- since Division I transfers are not recruits... one can't suggest that a Cornell roster with several transfers was created by over recruiting.

Speaking of laugh tests... Penn's 23-player roster does not pass the laugh test and it is sure to draw some attention this upcoming season from the media.

Anonymous said...

I still find myself wondering about Alex Hill. Indeed, on facebook he still seemed to be friends with the team members, commenting on their profiles etc; and his current facebook pic is of him & Wroblewski with his arm across Wrobo's shoulders.

Y'all have to admit tho, when Penn players leave they leave making LOTS of noise and generating lots of press, like that Fitzgerald guy. And your Daily Pennsylvanian prints lots of nice stories about your roster size issues too; isn't half the stuff we post here just generated by YOUR blogs?