Thursday, October 14, 2010

News and Notes: Thursday Edition

Below, some news and notes for Thursday...
  • In a press release announcing the establishment of a new women's basketball Mid Major Top 25 Poll on, the website noted, "This past season the top four teams in the final regular season men’s Mid-Major Top 25 all advanced to the Sweet 16 (Butler, Cornell, Northern Iowa, St. Mary’s). Butler, which advanced to the National Championship game against Duke, was ranked No. 1 for most of the regular season."
  • lists Cornell among the 34 teams in the 2010 NCAA Tournament not hosting a midnight madness event on Friday.
  • Timothy J. Walsh of the Harvard Crimson writes, "Midnight Madness, a large event at other college campuses, has yet to land in Cambridge... I know that Harvard hardly qualifies as a big-time college basketball program, but I have a hard time believing that Midnight Madness at Lavietes Pavilion would not be a huge hit... Harvard’s basketball program has done a lot of things right lately. The men have nabbed recruits from the likes of Colorado, USC, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Boston College, Gonzaga, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, UNLV, Penn, and Cornell so far this fall."
  • News Channel 13 (NBC News Albany) writes, "The [Albany] men’s program opens its schedule at home for the first time since 2006-07 and the third time in the program's Division I history when UAlbany takes on defending Ivy League champion Cornell.
  • Washington Jewish Week writes, "College basketball season begins this weekend, and the biggest local name to follow is probably Cornell's Eitan Chemerinski. The former star at Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School will be a sophomore at the Ivy League school. He didn't get much playing time last year, but loved the experience"
  • Louis Dale ('10) scored 8 points for Gottingen in a 72-71 loss to EnBW Ludwigsburg in German Budesliga action.
  • Ryan Wittman ('10) scored 8 points in a "friendly" match with Forli against league rival, Naturhouse Ferrara.


Anonymous said...

Someone at basketball-u says they've gotten their copy of the Blue Ribbon Yearbook and here are its projections:

1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. Penn
4. Brown
5. Cornell
6. Yale
7. Columbia
8. Dartmouth

All-Conference Team:
Noruwa Agho
Doug Davis
Zach Rosen
Kyle Casey
Peter Sullivan

POY: Zach Rosen
ROY: Miles Cartwright

Anonymous said...

This is a joke. They don't know our Cornell team at all.

Anonymous said...

Why did ARO just tweet about getting an x-ray?

Anonymous said...

that's it. we are f-ed

Anonymous said...

Most of the guys at basketball-u are obnoxious Penn fans. Have you read that crap over there?

Basically, they know more than you, Penn is the best basketball team ever, and you are wrong (about everything). And, this blog is the root of all evil.

Anonymous said...

Aro's the last guy we can afford to get injured.

Anonymous said...

The postings are what the Blue Ribbon Yearbook itself apparently says, not the Basketball-U people's opinion. I fully recognize that Baskeball-U is a little corner of idiocy on the internet; don't even get me started. They sometimes have good news links though.

Anonymous said...

Osgood said it was just a little tweak

"Most of the guys at basketball-u are obnoxious Penn fans. Have you read that crap over there?

Basically, they know more than you, Penn is the best basketball team ever, and you are wrong (about everything). And, this blog is the root of all evil."

Yeah it is funny how the Penn fans are panicking that they have not gotten any commitments yet and Harvard has beaten them out on Smith and Saunders

Anonymous said...

Penn is prolly gonna get good guys late. The Daily Pennsylvanian said today that Harvard is backing off one 90-rated ESPN guy now that they've received a bunch of commitments, thereby pushing Penn further up his list. This kinda thing is eventually gonna push guys Penn's way.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Penn will get some good ones, but the DP and the Harvard Crimson frequently report misinformation.

For example, Boston College never offered a scholarship to Brooks.

And Stanford never offered any of the Harvard recruits (or members of the current team).

But back to the original point, Penn will get some good kids. But this Cornell class is an Ivy championship caliber group. All five of Cornell's guys have legit All Ivy potential.

Anonymous said...

all 5 have legit all-ivy potential? Give me a break

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Don't believe it? Which one would you take off the list?

Anonymous said...

This guy, for starters. Second is Deion Giddens, unless he can magically add 30 pounds and make up for a huge lack of bball experience in just a few years.

the only guys I would see as "legit" all-ivy talent are Shonn Miller and Galal Cancer

Anonymous said...

"For example, Boston College never offered a scholarship to Brooks."

That's the DP reporting what Brooks' HS coach said, not the DP making stuff up. Are you saying he's lying? Is LaMore's coach lying about his offers too?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Giddens has played basketball in the U.S. for all of one season. He picked up four D-I offers after virtually no exposure. He is considered the best long term prospect in Arizona and for that reason, several BCS schools wanted to evaluate him this season.

Lamore is an A-10, CAA, Conference USA, MAC level recruit, who has a good size and skill. Not many Ivy recruits come in with his size and level of skill. He can take his man outside or play inside.

In our evaluation, he's the No. 2 frontcourt recruit in the Ivy this year, behind Kenyatta Smith, but ahead of the other commits around the league. Both Smith and Lamore also compare favorably against most of the league's incoming freshmen this year. In fact, we'd say they are No. 1 and No. 2 respectively over anyone in the class of 2010 or 2011 in the Ivy.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

"That's the DP reporting what Brooks' HS coach said, not the DP making stuff up."

We will assume the coach did not lie and the DP misquoted him (giving the benefit-o-doubt that a coach wouldn't lie).

When talking with coaches, we always distinguish offers from interest. Some of these college newspapers play a little loose and fast with terms that carry significant meaning.

In this case, we have verified no such offer from B.C. exists or did exist and doubt the high school coach said one did.

If he did, he was mistaken.

In the case of Lamore, he canceled his visit to Tulane last weekend with the knowledge he would probably commit to Cornell today. He was hosted at Navy by former Duke guard and current assistant, Greg Paulus.

Anonymous said...

"We will assume the coach did not lie and the DP misquoted him (giving the benefit-o-doubt that a coach wouldn't lie)."

That's a pretty convenient tack to take since it excuses you from having to substantiate the claim that he hasn't gotten a BC offer.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

We should note that college newspapers are training grounds.

For most of these writers, they've been covering college recruiting for 6 months to 2 years.

This lack of experience tends to lead itself to errors in reporting.

Additionally, the frequent and heavy emphasis on the ESPN grades (and other rankings) reflects on their lack of knowledge and understanding of recruiting.

In more than 15 years of covering college basketball recruiting, not once has a coach ever uttered an ESPN, Rivals or Scout ranking to this editor.

Rankings are for fans--- and they carry little to no weight.

Want proof? Here are four names:

-Jeremy Lin
-Ryan Wittman
-Jeff Foote
-Louis Dale

There's your Ivy First Team with virtually no publicity in high school and none of them nationally ranked.

Meanwhile, Penn's Justin Reilly had far more publicity on as a high school senior.

Rankings mean little. Enjoy them like a comic book.

Anonymous said...

Here's the sentence in question from the DP: "Ranked a 90 on, Brooks has received offers from Penn, Harvard, and Boston College according to high school head coach, Sharman White."

It's a mess grammatically and syntactically but what does going on about rankings have to do with anything? The part about the BC offer is pretty clear.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

It seems that the Ivy college writers place a lot of emphasis on the ESPN score. In fact, way too much emphasis.

Those ESPN scores are often assigned by interns at

We've even had take information from us in order to create their little ESPN player profiles.

mrjames said...

The comments about student newspapers are kind of angering to me. I know the effort that these guys put in to cover these teams as well as they possibly can. Some of them are incredibly competent and capable reporters and blanketly representing them as inexperienced and slipshod is disingenuous. They're publicly representing their sources for information. And you sit here disputing their information and maligning it, while presenting no sources of your own. One might argue that is not quality reporting.

In general, I guess my thesis could be best summed up as people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

We are not permitted to share all of our sources, which is often the case in this line of work.

By the way, the 2009 ESPN rankings gave a current Division III center an 87 overall rating and ranked him as the 39th best center in the country.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Another thought, guys like Dave Telep, Greg Hicks, Mike Sullivan, Tracy Pierson, Jerry Meyer, Eric Bossi, and Evan Daniels frequently do not cite sources.

Further, since college coaches are not able to comment on recruits, we are not permitted to name them as sources.

We do however name high school coaches when appropriate.

mrjames said...

There are plenty of anecdotes about players that were judged correctly and ones that were not. We could be here all day.

My contention has always been that it used to be that there were about 100-200 kids that the then-handful of recruiting sources focused on and basically everyone else was generically branded a two-star or below. Thus, it was almost impossible to tell what you had, unless you had a four- or five-star guy, which meant that gauging recruits for mid-major and low-major conferences was pointless.

With the explosion of interest in recruiting, there has been a corresponding move to the edges with more attention being focused on distinguishing two-star and below recruits from each other. There are regional sites which do a good job of this and even the national sites have gotten more precise with the kids in the 200-500 range.

Kids will always fly under the radar. This country is huge, and there are always extenuating circumstances that can keep a solid prospect or late bloomer off the map. But as the interest in this industry grows, it will become harder and harder to do so and will also become more and more telling when a kid manages to remain hidden.

Anonymous said...

"We do however name high school coaches when appropriate."

That's exactly what the DP did. Your refutation of that remains baseless.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

The best tool you have is watch the kids play.

If you can't do that (and many of us can't), try to talk to coaches and get their opinions. Also look at the offers made (with consideration given to extent of exposure). Obviously kids in California get more exposure and offers than kids in Minnesota (with dozens of D-I programs in the Golden State).

Finally, as a very last resort, you consider some of the rankings and written evaluations from the journalists.

These rankings have become less reliable each year as more camps and tournaments have popped up.

Twenty-five years ago there were very few AAU tournaments and really only two major basketball camps.

Today, those events have exploded and expanded in number and size.

With the kids now spread out further across the country, it is very, very rare for these scouts to see the top 500 kids.

Regional scouts/websites are fine, but most states/regions only have one and their word is too often accepted as gospel by fans.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Since there was no offer by B.C.--- either the D.P. misquoted or the coach misspoke.

We are betting on the former (based on experience with such matters), but could be wrong since we did not interview the coach.

Regardless, the kid does have some D-I offers and is a very good Ivy prospect.

We only raise the issue today because two Ivy college newspapers (in the last 48 hours) misrepresented (albeit not intentional) offers made by schools such as B.C. and Stanford.

mrjames said...

There is some belief that one of the members of Harvard's Class of 2009 got a late offer to Stanford.

Whether or not this information is indeed correct, probably only a handful of people know. But it was not made up and it was not mistaken.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

There may be a belief, but it ain't the truth.

While Ivy commitments are not binding, the Stanford coaching staff does not practice (and using the term loosely here) tortious interference.

There was no effort to recruit committed Harvard athletes.

Anonymous said...

"Since there was no offer by B.C.--- either the D.P. misquoted or the coach misspoke."

Okay, well, I'm saying there was and at least I have a human name to back it up with.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

There was no Boston College offer, period. End of discussion.

Anonymous said...

At least Penn and Harvard's papers report something, Cornell's paper has written barely anything about any of our recruits or recruiting

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

The Harvard Crimson and D.P. have done a very good job in recent years in making an effort to cover Ivy basketball.

Give credit where credit is due. Those two newspapers make the steady effort.

The Cornell Daily Sun could do more.

Cornell's Slope Media is excellent for video coverage.

Anonymous said...

15 years covering recruiting - that's great.

So that would include your commentary on the old rivals board in the late 90's?

Anonymous said...

There was a rivals board for the Ivy league???

Anonymous said...

Yup, there were several generations of 'message boards' then, including one at rivals.

Your fearless leader was a prolific poster - it was his interaction with mostly Penn and Princeton fans in that era that created the context that sometimes continues today.