Friday, December 3, 2010

News and Notes: Afternoon Edition

Above, an excerpt from Kyle Whelliston's book, One Beautiful Season, which devotes two chapters to Cornell's run through the 2010 NCAA Tournament to the Sweet Sixteen and final No. 17 national ranking.
  • Inside SU notes that nearly a dozen local Syracuse area Burmese, Sudanese and Haitian refugees got the chance to experience their first basketball game when they attended the Cornell-SU game on Tuesday night in the Carrier Dome.
  • refers to Cornell's defeat to Seton Hall earlier in the season as a confidence booster for the Pirates.
  • The Down with Goldy blog previews the Big Red at Minnesota and expects a tight game. Goldy writes, "What they [Cornell] do have is Big Red Bear, Here Comes Treble, and all the brilliance of the Nard Dawg on their side. It shouldn't be enough (please god), but I'm afraid they're going to make this more interesting than it should be thanks to crap-tastic [Minnesota] defense on the perimeter."
  • So, Cornell is off to Big 10 country to face Minnesota. Yes, we all remember Cornell knocking off the Big 10's Wisconsin during the Sweet 16 last season. But arguably the more surprising Cornell win over a Big 10 team was on November 11, 2006 when a bunch of young and inexperienced Cornell freshmen, Ryan Wittman and Louis Dale, led the Big Red to a 64-61 win over Northwestern. Wittman finished the game with 18 points in his college debut while Dale chipped in 7. Then-sophomore Adam Gore led all Big Red scorers with 20.
Lou Dale at Northwestern during 2006.


Anonymous said...

I've never remembered the Northwestern game as the emergence of Dale and Wittman.

Instead, that Northwestern game was the end of Adam Gore's career - he was great, but he could've been one of the great ones.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

What? Gore had an All Ivy season during 07-08. I think you are referring to Gore's second ACL tear which slowed him down during the 08-09 season.

Anonymous said...

I was at that game, great effort all around, including the seniors defensively and leadership-wise: Big Country with rebounds, Dow, and Ugo was coming off a leg injury that night and did a great job with their big guy.

Original Poster said...

No, I'm talking about the first tear. He puts up 20 points to start his sophomore year, gets injured with 30 seconds left, and that's the only game he plays that season.

His junior year he comes in and has a good season, but its still almost 3 points less per game than his freshman season. So, I'm considering that "the end" as I said, which is bad way to put it.

I'm not trying to say anything bad about Gore. I'm just saying that game pretty much ended how high he could go, and I think he could've went really high. Great release, great determination, great toughness.

But, stats shouldn't get in the way of the impact he had on the team otherwise, such as being a captain and a fan favorite.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Gore's production dipped during 07-08 because he was suddenly sharing the ball with Wittman, Dale and Foote (as well as Collin Robinson in the 1st semester).

As a frosh during 05-06, Gore was really the only scorer on the team, unless you count Collins and Rourke, neither of which were really great shooters.

Anonymous said...

You can absolutely argue Gore was good when he came back, obviously evident by the all ivy honor. But he definitely wasn't the same, regardless of having to share the ball or not.

Anonymous said...

anon, you're repeating yourself.

the point differential is attributable to (1) 5 less minutes a game (2) playing with other talented scorers

he shot a higher % from the field and had a considerably more favorable A/TO ratio

Anonymous said...

If you're arguing only that, you're basically saying that he played to his potential regardless of the injury.

Having watched him play, he wasn't the same player when he returned. He was noticeably different.

The best he could be was certainly limited by that tear. It's not like he became bad, but he was forced to settle into a new role.

All you have to do is look at that he put up 20 in his first game of sophomore season. He was primed for an amazing year. He gets injured, and now he's a role player, but a good one.

So argue your stats, that's fine. But what I'm saying is that the injury forced him to go from primary asset to role player.

Anonymous said...

Ok, Adam Gore went from the superstar to a role player. There are two possible causes:

1) injury (your argument)
2) new personnel (my argument)


Mo Williams is the superstar on the Cavaliers. If you add Lebron, Wade, Bosh, he suddenly becomes the #4 player.

Dale, Witt, and Foote were all superior offensive players. They were going to assume bigger offensive roles regardless of whether Gore got hurt or not.

I think that Gore's injury may explain a slight dip in his aggregate production. However, I don't think the injury was the cause of his fall to the 4th-option.

Anonymous said...

You're just assuming that means Gore wasn't as good as those guys.

This argument, both yours and mine, is based on personal suppositions without complete fact to back either.

You think Gore was destined to take a back seat because of Wittman et al.

I think Gore took a back seat because of the injury.

Your argument is based on statistictics.

My argument is based on seeing the change in his game play from freshman year to junior year when he returns. Which, I personally believe, is a better basis.

However, it's within your right to disagree. But, I believe that looking at the stats alone does not paint the entire picture.