Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Roster Report: Keeping Players in the Family

Stability in a roster is a redeeming quality in any college basketball program. With the exception of Yale, since the 2007-2008 season, each of the Ivy League schools have experienced a coaching change at the top.

But coaching changes are not the only transactions impacting Ivy League rosters. Players drop off rosters as well. Below is a list of the former players that dropped off Ivy League basketball rosters due to reasons other than exhaustion of NCAA eligibility/graduation.

In most cases, the players left their programs to either transfer out of the school or were involuntarily cut from their respective team. Harvard leads the league in roster turnover with fourteen (14) players leaving the basketball program since 2008. The Crimson have also had six (6) players drop off the team in the last two seasons. Cornell and Yale lead the league in player retention with both programs only losing two players for non-graduation reasons during the course of the last four years.

Hakeem Harris (left during '10-'11)
Colin Aldridge (left during '09-'10)
Sean Kane (left during '09-'10)
Stefan Kaluz (left during '09-'10)
Jean Herbert Harris (left during '09-'10)
Noel Hollingsworth (left during '08-'09)
Morgan Kelly (left during '08-'09)

Sandeep Dhaliwal (left during '10-11)
Tom Piscina (left during '10-'11)
Issa Masse (left during '10-'11)

Alex Hill (left during '09-'10)
Marc Van Burck (left during '09-'10)

David Eads (left during '10-'11)
Josh Riddle (left during '10-'11)
Herve Kouna (left during '10-'11)
Josef Brown (left during '10-'11)
Garrett Brown (left during '09-'10)
Marlon Sanders (left during '09-'10)
Brandon Ware (left during '09-'10)
Elgin Fitzgerald (left during '09-'10)
Jarrett Mathis (left during '09-'10)

Max Kenyi (left during '10-'11)
Pete Edelson (left during '10-'11)
Spencer de Mars (left during '10-'11)

Hugh Martin (left during '09-'10)
Peter Boehm (left during '09-'10)
Peter Swiatek (left during '09-'10)
Eric Groszyk (left during '08-'09)
T.J. Carey (left during '08-'09)
Kyle Fitzgerald (left during '08-'09)
Adam Demuyakor (left during '08-'09)
Ndu Okereke (left during '08-'09)
Darryl Finkton (left during '08-'09)
Cem Dinc (left during '08-'09)
Alex Blankenau (left during '08-'09)

Tommy Eggleston (left during '10-'11)
Sean Mullan (left during '10-'11)
Malcom Washington (left during '10-'11)
Tommy McMahon (left during '08-'09)
Harrison Gaines (left during '08-'09)
Remy Cofield (left during '08-'09)
Garvin Hunt (left during '08-'09)
Carson Sullivan (left during '09-'10)
Brian Fitzpatrick (left during '09-'10)

Zane Ma (left during '09-'10)
Max Huc (left during '09-'10)
Gus Gabel (left during '09-'10)

Michael Sands (left during '10-'11)
Garrett Fiddler (left during '09-'10)


Anonymous said...

Colin Robinson?

Where did Gaines end up? He lit us up....

Kenyi really seemed like a diaper dandy when he was recruited? Where did he end up going?

No scholarships = lack of commitment both ways. One would suspect that at least a couple of these names picked up some money for school.....


The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Robinson left before the names on this group. He departed January 2008.

Gaines plays for Cal Riverside.

Kenyin is on an indefinite leave of absence from Harvard.

Anonymous said...

"Cornell and Yale lead the league in player retention with both programs only losing two players for non-graduation reasons during the course of the last four years."

You reported that Colin Robinson left the program in January 2008.

How is that not "during the course of the last four years"?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

It was a typo, it should read, last 3 years.

If you look at the list, it is kids from 08-09, 09-10, and 10-11.

If we add in the 07-08, the figures don't change much. Harvard still has the highest turnover, with Cornell and Yale the lowest.

mrjames said...

I know you don't care about the actual reasons for the kids on the Harvard list, but I'll once again say that Groszyk and Finkton shouldn't be on there.

Groszyk did return to the squad during his senior year after missing a ton of time with a serious concussion. http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/12/9/erik-groszyks-long-road-back-to/

Finkton had a knee injury end his career.

This has been discussed before and it's irresponsible to keep ignoring these facts.

Anonymous said...

It would be much more interesting if Cornell beat Harvard on the court instead of you beating this dead horse on your blog. Give it a rest, please.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Without even looking into the accuracy of those two player incidents, does it change the analysis?

No, not at all.

Harvard still has BY FAR the highest turnover in the league even though 7 of the 8 schools had coaching changes.

Even taking out Groszyk and Finklton in the analysis, Harvard would still have 12 departures, 3 more than next closest team-- Penn.

And last time we checked, other schools had players with serious injuries/personal issues, and they NEVER left their programs. See Cornell's Khaliq Gant as an example.

What is irresponsible here is anyone associated with Harvard (including alums such as yourself) trying to defend and explain away a serious problem in Cambridge.

It is this same attitude that tries to ignore and explain away the recruiting violations and the drastic reduction in admissions standards.

Let's just be honest here. Harvard's program has placed winning above all else. And Robert Scalise is ok with looking the other direction, even if a few rules are broken and kids are run out of the program.

But let's go back to the man himself. Amaker said the program "adheres to austere" standards.

This remains to be seen in his tenure.

Where is this fictional punishment for the NCAA violation announced in July?

mrjames said...

I disagree with a lot of that, but people can search previous comments in this blog if they care about my thoughts on the matter.

You should remove those two kids from that list just as you did Marques Coleman from Brown's when it was shown that he left the program for medical reasons.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Marques Coleman returned to the Brown program and will graduate with his teammates.

The links you provide do not show that these kids stayed with the team through the final game of their senior year.

In fact, upon information and belief, they were not members of the team as seniors.

So, they should remain on the list as kids that left the programs prematurely.

puband09 said...

People leave for so many different reasons. It doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on the program. Gus Gabel never played a game and withdrew from Princeton his freshman fall because school and basketball were both way too hard for him. The Daily Prince did a whole article on him.

Zane Ma was a walk on and hardly, if ever, played in the first place.

Not sure about Max Huc.

Anonymous said...

Like you said, it's not like their list won't be way longer than everybody else's anyway, so why don't you just remove the kids who left due to injury so you don't leave their fans with something to pull attention away from your main point and and use to discredit your argument?

Anonymous said...

Hmm...must be a Harvard-Cornell game this weekend. I look forward to the expose on secondary recruiting violations that is sure to come sometime this week. It's sadly predictable at this point, actually.

Anonymous said...

You might remove Eads from Dartmouth as well. The list of "recruits" included walkons and he was never on the team so it's kind of hard to say he left the team.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Sands at Yale?

Why is he on leave?

Anonymous said...

Sands left days before the season started due to personal reasons, Jones was quoted as saying "Sands had something he had to go do"

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Why would we take Eads off? He was part of Dartmouth's OFFICIAL recruiting class and left the program.


The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Zana Ma and Max Huc were NOT walk-ons.


Both were recruited and part of the incoming class and were immediately placed on the roster and media guides.

Ma did not play as a freshman because he was injured.


Anonymous said...

We have officially reached the weeds on this one.......

The real point is that Amaker flushed a lot of kids for his new recruits....happens all the time, and it is not like anyone lost a scholarship or something.

The program got better and some were left on the side - even the Red had kids who saw their roles change a great deal as the program improved - it happens at this level. The difference is that the Cornell kids stayed in the program.

Others may have over-recruited, and the no scholarship rules have a lot to do with that aspect.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Your comment is not entirely accurate. Amaker cut some of his "own" kids as well, namely:

Pete Edelson (left during '10-'11)
Spencer de Mars (left during '10-'11)
Hugh Martin (left during '09-'10)
Peter Boehm (left during '09-'10)
Peter Swiatek (left during '09-'10)

What Harvard does is bring in several elite recruits each year with very low AIs (academic index scores based on SATs and grades). The class always also includes 1-2 "booster" kids designed to raise the academic index average of the recruiting class as a whole in order to make the admissions folks happy.

The "booster" kids usually last one season in the program before they are marginalized and pushed out. But in the end, the kids that stay are the top recruits with the lower AI scores.

Some of Harvard's talented kids do have outstanding AIs. But also a few of them were very, very low by the standards of any Ivy program.

Anonymous said...

Is this Booster process legal by NCAA Standards? Or, does the NCAA not care about the AI?

I assume that the AI is higher for the Ivies....thus, it is likely a league thing that the Ivy office chooses to ignore?

Pretty creative, I guess.

If it is legal, why not just have a minimum per player standard?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

There is no rules violation by Harvard using the "boosters"

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

There are a ton of New York Times articles on this subject.

Each of the recruits must have a minimum 171 Academic Index score.

Harvard admissions wants to see its basketball recruiting class have an average of about 200.

So what Amaker does is get a few kids with 170ish AIs then adds it the booster kids with AIs well over 200. When you avg the class together, it comes out to a healthy 200-205 score.

Cornell does not use "booster" kids because Cornell admissions does not work the same way as Harvard admissions. Cornell has 7 totally independent undergraduate colleges with 7 different admissions offices. Cornell is the only Ivy to be this decentralized in its admissions.

Anonymous said...

"Cornell has 7 totally independent undergraduate colleges with 7 different admissions offices. Cornell is the only Ivy to be this decentralized in its admissions."

Translated...we make like the hockey team and put almost the whole roster in the SUNY schools like the Ag school or Hotel School. Less to worry about with the Ivy League. Also, can you believe Harvard takes kids in the low 170s (with the league mandate at 171) and then takes kids in the high 200s to get to the school's arbitrarily higher AI goal? MOOOOOOOO!

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Cornell's roster has plenty of kids in the private/endowed colleges. But many of the kids want to be business school majors, so they go to the Dyson School.

Anonymous said...

Looked at the roster yesterday. It was 2 Arts and Sciences, 2 Engineering, 1 Architecture, Art and Planning, 1 Hotel School and the rest Ag School.

So who exactly is in the Dyson School? (Actually curious as I have no idea how it works. Can you be in Ag school and Dyson?)

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

The new Dyson School of Applied Economics and Management is Cornell's undergraduate business degree and it is housed within the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences.

But make no mistake about it, it is it is not just a "major" but an actual school and will grown.


The only reason why Dyson is "within" the Agriculture & Life Sciences college is because the donor, Charles Dyson, insisted on it.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

This site explains Dyson's organization: