Wednesday, March 21, 2012

News and Notes: Wednesday Edition

Below, some news and notes for Wednesday...
  • Check out The Cornell Basketball Blog's Roster Report for an updated look at the projected roster sizes for the Ivy League teams headed into the 2012-2013 season. In recent roster transaction news, Harvard freshman Max Hooper announced he was transferring out of the program. Hooper is the 17th player to leave Harvard since the 2008-2009 season for reasons other than exhaustion of eligibility/graduation or health/medical conditions.
  • The Cleveland Fan ranks Cornell's 2010 teams the 27th best Cinderella Team in NCAA Tournament history and writes, "27. Cornell (2010)-Seed: #12 / Finish: Sweet Sixteen. There’s always something extra Cinderella-y about an Ivy League school making a run. In 2010, Cornell entered the Dance with a 27-4 record, but sans the respect one would expect to go with it. That all changed after impressive, cakewalk wins over #5 Temple and #4 Wisconsin. It took John Wall and Kentucky to finally end the Big Red’s run."
  • (a University of Montana basketball website) writes, "Since 1997 only two schools outside the top 150 in basketball spending have reached the Sweet 16: Cornell (2010), which doesn’t give athletic scholarships, and Davidson (2008), which had a late-blooming NBA talent in Stephen Curry."
  • Onward State, a Penn State blog, complained about PSU's 2011-2012 home schedule and writes, "Consider the fact that Penn State went on Thanksgiving break from November 20 – 26 and winter break from December 17 – January 9. During those periods, Penn State played Youngstown State, Mount Saint Mary’s, Cornell, Indiana, and Purdue — a total of 5 games that most season ticket holders couldn’t attend."
  • Alex Compton (Cornell '97) spoke with InterAKTV in the Philippines and discussed how he ended up playing more than a decade professionally in that country and remaining there until this day. "I WAS BORN IN MANILA, at Makati Med. My parents were Southeast Asian scholars; they met in the Peace Corps in Thailand in the 1960s. My dad’s first job, after completing his Ph.D. at the University of Michigan, was at the International Institute of Rural Reconstruction in Silang, Cavite. My dad’s job was for two years. We left the Philippines when I was six months old, and I grew up in the States. My parents are some of the whitest Asian people you will ever meet; both my parents are fluent in Thai and Lao, and they had a lot of Filipino friends. My dad was a professor, and my mom worked in the Southeast Asian studies department at Cornell, and one of our friends was a Filipino who taught Tagalog there. But I’d never been to the Philippines when I came back in 1998. Coming to play basketball here was a complete accident. I was the captain of the Cornell basketball, and I always spent time at the coaches’ office, talking to them, breaking down film. I was talking to one of our assistant coaches, Tyrone Pitts, who played as an import in the Philippine Basketball League. At the time, I didn’t know he played in the Philippines, I just knew he played around the world as an import. I just asked him where he played, how that was like, because I loved traveling, and obviously my background is international... COMING TO THE PHILIPPINES to play basketball was a complete dream come true. I always wanted to play pro ball overseas. I never dreamed about playing in the NBA. In fact, when I was 11 years old, my dad took a sabbatical from Cornell, and we lived in northeast Thailand. And I’ll always remember, I was playing with my brother, we had a Maxwell House coffee can that we nailed to a cardboard, and we’d shoot at it with a tennis ball. My brother’s five years older, and he was my idol, and I just thought he was the greatest player in the world. And I told him what my dream is: I wanna be good enough to play at an Ivy League school, and good enough to play pro basketball overseas. I think, when I said it, what was in my mind at the time was Yale and Spain, but I’ll take Cornell and the Philippines. It ended up working out pretty well..."

Prolific scorers Mason, Cressler gear up for Cager clash

Fans could get a treat Saturday night if Highlands' Micah Mason and Plum's Nolan Cressler lock eyes on the wing, one destined to break down the other or pull up from deep on the area's premier, all-star stage.

Two of the A-K Valley's all-time greats will be on opposing sides and possibly matched against one another during the 16th annual Cager Classic at Highlands.

The girls game is at 6 p.m. The boys take the court at 8 p.m.

Mason, who ranks 12th on the WPIAL career scoring list, will play for the West.

"We love to get after each other," said Mason, who will play at Drake next season. "I have been working out with him, but we haven't been trash-talking too much. There may be more of that closer to the game."

Cornell recruit Cressler, Plum's all-time leading scorer (1,565), will play for the East.

"I don't think it's a matter of me versus him," Cressler said. "We just want to go out and have fun and make something happen. If it ends up being the Micah and Nolan show, oh well."

Mason (28.7) and Cressler (25.8) were the top two scorers in the WPIAL this season. Mason is a two-time WPIAL scoring champion.

The pair, which played AAU basketball together briefly, have only played head-to-head once. Earlier this season, when Plum won, 84-54, Mason scored 31 and had Cressler 29 -- in three quarters.

"The main thing is to have fun, but I am going to play hard," Mason said. "You want to try and win the game, too.

"I heard that (Plum's) Tarique Ellis wants to guard me. Maybe it will be Nolan. We'll see what happens."

Cressler said he and Mason don't like to bask in the spotlight.

"I think we're extremely competitive kids, but we're more competitive from a team standpoint," he said. "We'd rather see our teams have success than the individual accolades. Maybe if we played in the same section, it'd be different and we'd go after each other more."

Other players are looking forward to seeing Mason and Cressler in the same all-star game.

"It's going to be fun to play against Nolan and with Micah," St. Joseph guard Mike Connelly said. "I love the whole feeling of playing in an event like all the greats of the past. I watched (former St. Joseph standout) Brian (Heinle) play last year."

Connelly is no slouch. He is one of four 1,000-point scorers picked to play in the boys game.

Cressler said he's like to see the Classic bring back the slam dunk contest. Mason, who has made more 3-pointers than any player in WPIAL history, is glad there's a 3-point contest.

"It seems like a good year to bring (the dunk contest) back," Cressler said. "We'll leave the 3-point for Micah. That's his bread and butter."

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  • So how did Cornell finish the 2011-2012 season? Cornell's RPI rank as of March 21 is No. 180 out of 344 total Division I teams. The Ken Pomeroy and Jeff Sagarin rankings are No. 207 and No. 200 respectively. Below are links to our game recap sections from each of Cornell's games this season along with notations of postseason bids received by Cornell 2011-2012 opponents.
  1. November 11, 2011 at St. Bonaventure L 58-79 (NCAA Tournament)
  2. November 14, 2011 vs. Binghamton W 76-61
  3. November 16, 2011 at Buffalo L 59-68 (
  4. November 20, 2011 vs. Boston University W 71-66
  5. November 22, 2011 at Delaware L 68-76 (CBI)
  6. November 27, 2011 vs. American L 63-65 (
  7. December 3, 2011 vs. Lehigh W 81-79 (OT) (NCAA Tournament)
  8. December 17, 2011 vs. Albany W 85-82 (OT) (
  9. December 19, 2011 at Illinois L 60-64 (TV: ESPN3)
  10. December 21, 2011 at Penn State L 67-74 (TV: Big Ten Network)
  11. December 28, 2011 at Stony Brook L 58-69 (OT) (TV: Cablevision 118) (NIT)
  12. December 31, 2011 at Bucknell L 60-63 (CBI)
  13. January 3, 2012 at Maryland L 62-70 (TV: ESPN3)
  14. January 7, 2012 vs. Albright W 78-60
  15. January 13, 2012 vs. Princeton W 67-59 (CBI)
  16. January 14, 2012 vs. Penn L 52-64 (CBI)
  17. January 21, 2012 at Columbia L 56-61
  18. January 28, 2012 vs. Columbia W 65-60
  19. February 3, 2012 at Harvard L 60-71 (NCAA Tournament)
  20. February 4, 2012 at Dartmouth W 68-59
  21. February 10, 2012 vs. Yale W 85-84 OT (
  22. February 11, 2012 vs. Brown W 72-63
  23. February 17, 2012 at Penn L 66-73 (CBI)
  24. February 18, 2012 at Princeton L 57-75 (CBI)
  25. February 24, 2012 at Brown W 69-63
  26. February 25, 2012 at Yale L 40-71 (
  27. March 2, 2012 vs. Dartmouth W 70-57
  28. March 3, 2012 vs. Harvard L 63-67 (NCAA Tournament)

Friday, November 11
Johnson & Wales 66 Brown 86 (Box Score - Recap)
Columbia 57 Connecticut 70[ESPNU] (Box Score - Recap)
Cornell 58 St. Bonaventure 79 (Box Score - Recap)
MIT 49 Harvard 76 (Box Score - Recap)
Dartmouth 56 Rutgers 62 (Box Score - Recap)
Penn 59 Maryland-Baltimore County 45 (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 73 Central Connecticut State 69 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, November 12
Wagner 73 Princeton 57 (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, November 14
Albany 77 Brown 68 (NIT Tip-Off-1st Round@Syracuse, N.Y.)[ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)
Temple 73 Penn 67 OT (Box Score - Recap)
Furman 58 Columbia 62 (Box Score - Recap)
Binghamton 61 Cornell 76 (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, November 15
Harvard 73 Holy Cross 64 (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 62 Quinnipiac 68 [SNY] (Box Score - Recap)
Brown 52 Manhattan 54 NIT Tip Consolation@Syracuse, N.Y. [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, November 16
Cornell 59 Buffalo 68 (Box Score - Recap)
Vermont 65 Dartmouth 53 (Box Score - Recap)
Princeton 58 North Carolina State 60 [ESPNU] (Box Score - Recap)

Thursday, November 17
Penn 78 Rider 72 OT (Box Score - Recap)
Lyndon State 37 Yale 101 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, November 19
Buffalo 53 Princeton 61 (Box Score - Recap)
Hartford 52 Brown 59 (Box Score - Recap)
American 66 Columbia 58 (Box Score - Recap)
Bryant 62 Dartmouth 66 (Box Score - Recap)
Robert Morris 60 Penn 66 (Box Score - Recap)
Harvard 77 Loyola Marymount 67 (Box Score - Recap)

Sunday, November 20
Boston University 66 Cornell 71 (Box Score - Recap)

Sunday, November 20
Boston University 66 Cornell 71 (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, November 21
Brown 48 George Mason 74 (NIT Consolation Fairfax, VA) (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, November 22
Brown 79 Monmouth 71 (NIT Consolation Fairfax, VA) (Box Score - Recap)
Columbia 53 Stony Brook 67 (Box Score - Recap)
Cornell 64 Delaware 72 (Box Score - Recap)
Wagner 71 Penn 65 (Box Score - Recap)
Elon 56 Princeton 55 (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 62 Seton Hall 73 (Box Score - Recap)

Thursday, November 24
Dartmouth 69 San Francisco 71 (Great Alaska Shootout) (Box Score - Recap)
Harvard 75 Utah 47 [HDNet] (Battle 4 Atlantis Bahamas) (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, November 25
Dartmouth 64 vs. Alaska-Anchorage 52(Great Alaska Shootout) (Box Score - Recap)
Harvard 46 Florida State 41 [VERSUS] (Battle 4 Atlantis Bahamas) (Box Score - Recap)
Princeton 56 Bucknell 62 (Legends Classic, Lewisberg, PA) (Box Score - Recap)
Pittsburgh 78 Penn 58 [TCN] (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, November 26
Yale 84 Army 75 (Box Score - Recap)
Columbia 59 Manhattan 41 (Box Score - Recap)
Princeton 56 Morehead State 68 (Legends Classic, Lewisberg, PA) (Box Score - Recap)
James Madison 60 Penn 58 [TCN] (Philly Hoop Group Classic) (Box Score - Recap)
Dartmouth 48 Western Michigan 65 (Great Alaska Shootout) (Box Score - Recap)
Harvard 59 Central Florida 49 [VERSUS] (Battle 4 Atlantis Bahamas) (Box Score - Recap)

Sunday, November 27
Brown 64 Sacred Heart 77 (Box Score - Recap)
Princeton 66 West Alabama 66 (Legends Classic, Lewisberg, PA) (Box Score - Recap)
American 65 Cornell 63 (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, November 28
Swarthmore 42 Columbia 104 (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, November 29
Manhattan 72 Penn 75 (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 74 Hartford 69 (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, November 30
Dartmouth 50 New Hampshire 53 (Box Score - Recap)
Lafayette 69 Princeton 54 (Box Score - Recap)
Rhode Island 56 Brown 65 [myRITV] (Box Score - Recap)

Thursday, December 1
Harvard 55 Vermont 48 (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, December 2
Columbia 69 Loyola Marymount 61 (LA Westside Centennial Classic) (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, December 3
Vermont 52 Yale 68 (Box Score - Recap)
Brown 54 Iowa 75 (Box Score - Recap)
Lehigh 79 Cornell 81 (OT) (Box Score - Recap)
Penn 65 Villanova 73 [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)
Columbia 72 North Texas 57 (Box Score - Recap) (LA Westside Centennial Classic)

Sunday, December 4
Columbia 78 La Sierra 56 (Box Score - Recap) (LA Westside Centennial Classic)
Seattle 70 Harvard 80 (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, December 5
Brown 49 Providence 80 [ESPN3/SNY] (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 73 Sacred Heart 71 (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, December 6
Holy Cross 45 Columbia 46 (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, December 7
Delaware 60 Penn 69 (Box Score - Recap)
New Hampshire 69 Brown 56 (Box Score - Recap)
Princeton 59 Rutgers 57 (Box Score - Recap)
Bryant 59 Yale 76 (Box Score - Recap)

Thursday, December 8
Harvard 53 Connecticut 67 [ESPN2] (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, December 10
Central Connecticut State 80 Brown 90 (Box Score - Recap)
Long Island 53 Columbia 63 (Box Score - Recap)
Harvard 76 Boston University 52 (Box Score - Recap)
Princeton 60 Drexel 64 (Box Score - Recap)
Penn 73 UCLA 77 [DirecTV] (Box Score - Recap)
Dartmouth 47 Notre Dame 65 [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, December 13
Dartmouth 51 IPFW 56 (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, December 14
Princeton 72 Rider 71 OT (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, December 17
Elon 54 Dartmouth 62 (Box Score - Recap)
Albany 82 Cornell 85 OT (Box Score - Recap)

Sunday, December 18
Princeton 71 Northeastern 62 (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 68 Rhode Island 65 [COX RI] (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, December 19
Cornell 60 Illinois 64 [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)
Dartmouth 55 Colgate 61 OT (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, December 21
Dartmouth 64 Army 67 (Box Score - Recap)
Cornell 67 Penn State 74 [Big Ten Network] (Box Score - Recap)

Thursday, December 22
Florida Atlantic 51 Harvard 63 (Box Score - Recap)
Princeton 59 Siena 63 (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, December 23
Maine 71 Brown 58 (Box Score - Recap)
Dartmouth 74 Albany 82 (Box Score - Recap)
Marist 71 Penn 84 (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, December 28
Columbia 59 Marist 79 (Box Score - Recap)
Cornell 59 Stony Brook 68 OT [Cablevision] (Box Score - Recap)

Thursday, December 29
Brown 49 St. Francis (N.Y.) 66 (Box Score - Recap)
Harvard 67 Boston College 46 [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)
Penn 70 Davidson 75 (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 71 Wake Forest 72 (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, December 30
Princeton 75 Florida State 73 (3OT) [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)
Lafayette 67 Columbia 77 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, December 31
Cornell 60 Bucknell 63 (Box Score - Recap)
Holy Cross 65 Dartmouth 61 (Box Score - Recap)
Yale 70 Florida 90 [ESPNU] (Box Score - Recap)
Saint Joseph’s 69 Harvard 74 (Box Score - Recap)

Sunday, January 1
Princeton 76 Florida A&M 61 (Box Score - Recap)
Penn 55 Duke 85 [ESPNU] (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, January 2
American 70 Brown 61 (Box Score - Recap)
Fairleigh Dickinson 52 Columbia 67 (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, January 3
Bucknell 67 Dartmouth 59 (Box Score - Recap)
Harvard 54 Fordham 60 (Box Score - Recap)
Holy Cross 67 Yale 82 (Box Score - Recap)
Cornell 62 Maryland 70 [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, January 4
Columbia 66 Colgate 59 (Box Score - Recap)
Penn 78 Lafayette 73 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, January 7
*Dartmouth 47 Harvard 63 (Box Score - Recap)
Albright 60 Cornell 78 (Box Score - Recap)

Sunday, January 8
Columbia 65 Elon 60 (Box Score - Recap)
The College of New Jersey 68 Princeton 79 (Box Score - Recap)
St. Joseph’s (N.Y.) 86 Yale 101 (Box Score)

Tuesday, January 10
Harvard 70 Monmouth 61 (Box Score - Recap)
La Salle 68 Penn 57 (Box Score - Recap)

Wednesday, January 11
Longwood 79 Brown 77 (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, January 13
*Penn 66 Columbia 64 (Box Score - Recap)
*Princeton 59 Cornell 67 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, January 14
*Brown 64 Yale 68 (Box Score - Recap)
Longwood 67 Dartmouth 83 (Box Score - Recap)
George Washington 48 Harvard 69 (Box Score - Recap)
*Princeton 62 Columbia 58 (Box Score - Recap)
*Penn 52 Cornell 64 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, January 21
*Yale 73 Brown 60 (Box Score - Recap)
*Cornell 56 Columbia 61 (Box Score - Recap)
*Harvard 54 Dartmouth 38 (Box Score - Recap)
Saint Joseph’s 80 Penn 84 (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, January 23
Brown 67 Bryant 60 (
Box Score - Recap)

Friday, January 27

*Dartmouth 59 Brown 66 (
Box Score - Recap)
*Harvard 65 Yale 35 (
Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, January 28

*Harvard 68 Brown 59 (
Box Score - Recap)
*Columbia 60
Cornell 65 (Box Score - Recap)
*Dartmouth 52 Yale 62 (
Box Score - Recap)

Monday, January 30
*Princeton 67 Penn 82 (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, February 3
*Princeton 77 Brown 63 (Box Score - Recap)
*Columbia 64 Dartmouth 62 (Box Score - Recap)
*Cornell 60 Harvard 71 (Box Score - Recap)
*Penn 53 Yale 60 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, February 4
*Penn 65 Brown 48 (Box Score - Recap)
*Columbia 52 Harvard 57 (Box Score - Recap)
*Cornell 68 Dartmouth 59 (Box Score - Recap)
*Princeton 54 Yale 58 (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, February 10
*Brown 60 Columbia 86 (Box Score - Recap)
*Yale 84 Cornell 85 (OT) Box Score - Recap
*Harvard 56 Penn 50 (Box Score - Recap)
*Dartmouth 47 Princeton 59 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, February 11
*Brown 63 Cornell 72 (Box Score - Recap)
*Yale 59 Columbia 58 (Box Score - Recap)
*Dartmouth 55 Penn 58 (Box Score - Recap)
*Harvard 62 Princeton 70 [ESPNU] (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, February 17
*Brown 42 Harvard 69 (Box Score - Recap)
*Columbia 66 Princeton 77 [ESPNU] (Box Score - Recap)
*Cornell 66 Penn 73 (Box Score - Recap)
*Yale 70 Dartmouth 61 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, February 18
*Brown 53 Dartmouth 58 (Box Score - Recap)
*Columbia 59 Penn 61 OT (Box Score - Recap)
*Cornell 57 Princeton 75 (Box Score - Recap)
*Yale 51 Harvard 66 (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, February 24
*Cornell 69 Brown 63 (Box Score - Recap)
*Columbia 67 Yale 75 [YES] (Box Score - Recap)
*Penn 57 Dartmouth 54 (Box Score - Recap)
*Princeton 64 Harvard 67 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, February 25
*Columbia 78 Brown 94 (Box Score - Recap)
*Cornell 40 Yale 71 (Box Score - Recap)
*Princeton 85 Dartmouth 61 (Box Score - Recap)
*Penn 55 Harvard 54 [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)

Friday, March 2
*Brown 43 Penn 54 (Box Score - Recap)
*Harvard 77 Columbia 70 OT (Box Score - Recap)
*Dartmouth 57 Cornell 70 (Box Score - Recap)
*Yale 57 Princeton 64 (Box Score - Recap)

Saturday, March 3
*Dartmouth 55 Columbia 61 (Box Score - Recap)
*Harvard 67 Cornell 63 [ESPN3] (Box Score - Recap)
*Yale 47 Penn 68 (Box Score - Recap)
*Brown 47 Princeton 81 (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, March 6
*Penn 52 Princeton 62 (Box Score - Recap)

Tuesday, March 13
CBI First Round
Princeton 95 Evansville 86 [HDNet] (Box Score)

Wednesday, March 14
CIT First Round
Yale 56 Fairfield 68 (Box Score)

CBI First Round
Quinnipiac 63 Penn 74 [TCN] (Box Score)

Thursday, March 15
NCAA Second Round
The Pit, Albuquerque, N.M.
(12) Harvard 70 (5) Vanderbilt 79 [TNT] (Box Score - Recap)

Monday, March 19
CBI Quarterfinals
Princeton 61 Pittsburgh 82 (Box Score)
Butler 63 Penn 53[HDNet] (Box Score)


Anonymous said...

CBB - With the high number of medical red shirts Cornell has seen since the inception of the Courtney era, should we as fans be concerned in the coming years about an inflated roster and defections of our own?

By the way, CBB, I've often wondered...Are you one person or a collection of individuals?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Cornell has been carrying a 20-21 man roster for about 3 years now. Nothing has really changed. And even if Cornell does lose a player, Cornell has only lost 2 kids since '08-'09--- best retention rate in the Ivy League.

Anonymous said...

I've got Cornell with 21, Columbia with 22, and Harvard with 20 on their teams for next year, at this time.

That's just alot (I mean alot!) more likely to succeed than the 13 who appear to be on the Brown and Penn rosters for 2012-13. Having too few guys to run effective practices is a really bad problem to have.

Every year it seems that an Ivy player who perseveres on a roster steps up big time to boost his team. Think of Rob Belcore (2011-12), Kareem Maddox (2010-11), Jon Jaques (2009-10), and Jason Miller (2008-09).

Hanging around can pay off.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Your numbers appear off. You have to factor in guys that are red-shirts, leaving school for leaves of absences, seniors graduating, incoming frosh, and other issues that impact the size of the roster.

If you believe we are off on a particular school, please list the roster for that school for 2012-2013 and we'll check the numbers.

Anonymous said...

I'm less concerned about roster size if only because Coach C has shown a willingness to go relatively deep into his bench. There's a difference between a 20 man roster that plays withan 8 man rotation than a 20 man roster with a 12 man rotation

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Not only does Cornell sometimes play 12 guys in the first 10 minutes of a game (it really has happened this year), but Cornell is always seemingly so injured that 3-4 guys are always unavailable.

But more importantly, keep in mind that Cornell's roster total is due in part to:

(1) transfers coming into the program that were not recruited

(2) walk-ons added to the roster midseason as rewards (Cornell has two of them)


(3) nobody leaves Cornell's team. Cornell expects to lose kids, but nobody ever drops out.

Anonymous said...

ESPN reports that Zena E. committed to Harvard on March 11. Is that right? If so, that's a very high profile commitment for the Ivy League.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Yes, he committed, but has reclassified to class of 2013 and will enroll at Northfield Mt. Hermon.

He must still be admitted.

And he is a tremendous recruit.

But... he will never play with Keith Wright, Oliver McNally, Christian Webster, Kyle Casey, Brandyn Curry, Dee Giger or Andrew Van Nest.

So, yes, a GREAT recruit, but he will not be stacked with the outstanding senior and junior classes.

But again, admissions remains pending.

Anonymous said...

People are gonna start leaving. The retention rate was high during the title run and for a while afterwards, but the magic of that run died real fast in the past couple of seasons. This team is now even less inspiring than Columbia. People are going to start leaving again soon.

Anonymous said...

Amaker is killing it in recruiting. I assume Cornell doesn't have anyone near that high-profile in the works.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Amaker has done a nice job in recruiting the last 5 years. But at the end of the day, he has 1 NCAA tournament appearance and got the Ivy bid with a 12-2 Ivy record, just barely escaping a league playoff game.

Just as Harvard's 2011-2012 team was overhyped, so is the Crimson's recruiting.

They are getting great pieces, but so are other Ivies.

Anonymous said...

Another website has reported that Harvard freshman Max Hooper has "gotten his release from the program."

What does that mean? He wanted to transfer and needed to get permission or that he was cut from the team?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Championships have NOTHING to do with player retention.

Harvard won a shared title last year and a full title this year and has lost 4 kids in 12 months.

Cornell lost zero kids.

Retention is a function of program chemistry.

Anonymous said...

CBB: That doesn't answer my question: Does Cornell have any recruits on its radar on Zena E's level? I hope (but doubt) that Cornell is in the running for anyone at that level.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

How do you define level?

If you mean in terms of a kid with a similar top 70 ranking. No.

If you mean in terms of kid with a top 150 ranking. Yes.

If you mean kids with more than a dozen BCS offers in hand. Yes.

Anonymous said...

The people who keep going on and on about Harvard recruiting are seriously confusing. They do this every single year despite the fact that Harvard is clearly still not winning in a dominant fashion, not even at the level of Wittman's class.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...


Harvard loves the media attention and tries to create buzz. And that is great for them. They are good at public relations.

But success is defined by what you do on the court. Not by preseason magazines.

So yeah, Harvard won a 2012 Ivy title by 1 game (12-2 record) and flamed out in the 1st round despite their own predictions of a Sweet 16 run.

They were ready for 2011-2012 because they had no graduations the year before and returned everyone. Meanwhile, other Ivies lost key players.

We'll see what they do next year in '12-'13. New situation. Key losses to Keith Wright, Corbin Miller and Oliver McNally.

The following year, they lose an even better class (Dee Giger, Kyle Casey, Brandyn Curry and Christian Webster).

By contrast, Cornell loses Pete McMillan, Eitan Chemerinski, Josh Figini, and Jon Gray.

Which team do you think is improving the most over these next 2 cycles?

Most fans and some media live in the moment.

We always look at rosters and the programs 3, 4 and 5 years down the line.

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute -- Harvard went from perennial bottom-feeder to Ivy champ and top 25 team in 5 years. They're recruiting at levels previously unseen in the Ivies. Now, obviously, it remains to be seen what Amaker will do with the various pieces he's been collecting, and good recruits don't always translate into winning teams. But they often do, and when Harvard pulls in talent like Zena E., that's a shot across the bow to everyone else in the league. And that's why Penn and other schools are responding to Harvard's admissions tactics -- to compete with the caliber of athlete the Crimson are bringing in.

To say that high level recruits don't matter or don't warrant attention is utter nonsense.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Nice revisionist history.

You ought to go back through the Ivy history.

Harvard has historically been a mid pack Ivy team, usually hovering around 4th or 5th place. The program's winning percentage in the Ivy was .422 (before this season).

Anonymous said...

CBB" If you mean kids with more than a dozen BCS offers in hand. Yes."

That's good to hear. Is Cornell a frontrunner for any of them?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Hard to say if frontrunner, but definitely in the half dozen school list mix.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Ivy athletes do not need releases. They just leave. It was a poorly reported story.

A release only applies to a scholarship.

Anonymous said...


If an Ivy recruit wants to play at another D-1 level college, are you saying that they do not need a release from such Ivy...that they can merely quit the team and transfer to a school that is offering a basketball scholarship with no consequences?

If this is the case...WOW.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

100 percent yes. Ivy athletes are just like regular students when it comes to transferring.

Anonymous said...

Well, a transferring student would still need to sit out a year, right? At least if he stayed within Division I.

What do you make of Zena E committing to Harvard and then enrolling at Northfield Mount Hermon without yet satisfying the Ivy's minimum Academic Index score?

To me, that sounds like Amaker is actively recruiting players who do not (yet) have acceptable AI scores for admission. Is this common in the Ivies? Does Cornell do this? I know that a lot of our players spend a PG year at prep school but the difference is that Zena was recruited and then sent there with no assurance of admission down the road. I very much doubt Yale or Princeton do this.

I thought that the procedure for coaches was to find players who already have satisfactory AI scores in hand and then recruit them -- not find players who are in the AI ballpark and then put it on the kid to spend a year of his life (and perhaps a year of prep school tuition) to TRY to get up above the minimum score.

I give Zena all the credit. He's taking all the time, expense and especially risk to try for a Harvard admission. But is what Amaker is doing permissible? I could argue that it's of questionable ethicality, because if Zena doesn't get his score up, he loses while Amaker sacrifices nothing.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Nothing has changed with Zena in the last 2 weeks. He was effectively committed to Harvard (at least privately) 6 months ago. In other words, Harvard was always the leader.
And the issue for him was always the academics and it remains the issue today.

There is no rule being violated here.

Ivies can stockpile players at prep schools. All the Ivies do it. Army does it. Navy does it. Patriots do it.

Princeton and Penn like to use Peddie, Lawrenceville and Hun among others. Harvard used Northfield Mount Hermon (as does Dartmouth). Cornell has used other prep schools in the past, although not recently.

However, Harvard is definitely pushing the envelope by associating itself with marginally qualified Ivy student-athletes. Many of their top 2013 targets remain below the AI floor.

We read the Zena situation to be a marketing device for Harvard. By announcing the commitment, it is being used to help draw in other top 100 recruits.

For Zena, if the Harvard commitment does not work out (i.e., he does not make the floor), he'll be fine.

If he "reopens" his commitment next year, a dozen BCS schools will immediately jump in on him. He doesn't need to be on the open market between now and next December. Zena is in a good place.

I am sure Harvard is excited to have him in 2013. But they really wanted him for next year-- 2012-2013. By 2013-2014, Harvard has a completely different team.

So, at the end of the day, the other Ivies need to step up their games and compete.

I can tell you this for certain... none of the other Ivy coaches are losing sleep over Harvard. Only the fans are reacting with such awe. Most of the Ivies feel they can beat Harvard today and tomorrow and 2012 should be evidence of that belief.

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of kids playing in the Ivy League with chips on their shoulder because they played against the top 150 kids in AAU and know they can compete with them but for whatever reason, be it size or because they are a step slow, they were overlooked by the big schools. So when a top 150 kid goes to Harvard the rest of the kids In the Ivy League aren't intimidated in the least. Lehigh and Ohio showed this year, and of course Cornell showed in 2010 that the right mix of pretty good players outside the top 150 coupled with great chemistry and great coaching is far more valuable than three or four top 150 kids on a team with mediocre chemistry and mediocre coaching. It takes more than talent. It takes the right kids and the right coach and a little luck to boot.

Anonymous said...

Northfield Mount Hermon's #1 Ivy destination is Brown, then Harvard, then maybe Dartmouth, and then maybe even Cornell. '80 Player of the year Peter Moss went to NMH before Brown. Been that way forever, or at least since the 70's. Peter's brother Perry (Northeastern) played in NBA in the 80's.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Not in recent years. Harvard and Dartmouth have owned NMH the last 5 or so years and it will likely stay that way.

Anonymous said...

When you say that the Ivies "stockpile" players at prep schools, do you specifically mean that colleges send kids who fall short on the AI minimum to prep school in the HOPE that the applicant can get his scores up in a year?

Obviously, there are PG graduates on many rosters. But I thought most of the kids wanted an extra year to develop physically so that they could be better players in college. Are you unequivocally saying that most of these kids do not meet the minimum AI score in high school but then make the cut-off while at prep school?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Players are sent to prep schools by the Ivies for a variety of reasons.

Sometimes the kids need to improve their academic profiles.

Sometimes they need to develop physically (add weight/muscle).

Sometimes they need to improve their fundamental skills.

And sometimes coaches just want another season to evaluate the player against better competition before making an offer.