Friday, October 26, 2012

News and Notes: Friday Edition

Below, some news and notes for Friday...

  • NYC Buckets picks Cornell to finish in second place in the Ivy League and writes, "Cornell played a really young roster in 2011-12 and I’d expect Galal Cancer and Shonn Miller to be much improved during their sophomore campaigns."
Cornell, in the final spot of the upper echelon [picked 4th], returns 10 of its top 12 scorers and for the first time in coach Bill Courtney’s three years will not have to rely on freshmen.  “We’re still young at a lot of key positions,’’ he said, “but when you have a veteran club, a lot of guys who have been through some of the battles in the league — we have a chance to be competitive (with) the top of the league.’’
  • Last night in EuroLeague action, Jeff Foote (Cornell '10) scored 7 points on 3/3 shooting from the floor and 1/1 at the free throw line and grabbed 3 rebounds and dished 1 assist against zero turnovers in 12 productive minutes off the bench as his #3 ranked Zalgiris team of Lithuania defeated the defending EuroLeague Champions, Olimpiacos of Greece, 79-61Read the recap of Foote's performance.  A basket shown below by Foote was named one of the week's top 5 plays in the EuroLeague.  Zalgiris faces #1 ranked CSKA of Moscow on October 28.


  • A Cornell Daily Sun columnist wants John Calipari out of college basketball and writes, "I also still harbor some hatred from [Kentucky's]Sweet Sixteen victory over Cornell back in 2010."

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

I read your tweet that Cornell has 47 programs ranked in the top 10 of their discipline. What exactly is a "program" in that context? Is it a major or a department or a graduate/professional school?

47 seems like a really big number. I'm not at all confident that any one of HYP even *has* 47 different departments plus graduate schools. Probably not Yale and certainly not Princeton. I'm just asking because a high figure like 47 sounds disconnected from any academic structure that I'm aware of -- and it's the basis for your claim that Cornell is "in some ways the best university in the world." That seems, well, aggressive.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Harvard, Yale and Princeton have very limited curricula. Obviously they are each outstanding schools. But they don't offer education in a lot of areas. The fact is there is more course, major and curricula diversity at Cornell. And again, 47 different programs of study are ranked by U.S. News, the most by any school in the U.S.

Anonymous said...

I just took a look at the current U.S. News rankings. Harvard is listed as #1 (including ties) in big professional schools such as business school and medical school as well as major departments such as physics. Princeton is listed as #1 (including ties) in major departments such as economics, history and political science.

There are about a half dozen subspecialties listed under each department. Skorton was probably referring to these subspecialties in his count of 47. That's the only way anybody could get up to a number that high. I didn't bother to count up the various subspecialties which were ranked but, whatever the actual tally, it's a little disingenuous to say being ranked tenth or fifteenth in two or three subspecialties is a more meaningful achievement than being ranked #1 for the department itself.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

U.S. News chooses how many categories it wants to rank. Cornell does not create these categories.

The fact is that Cornell is nationally ranked by US News in 47 different categories, more than any other institution in the United States. That is a fact. And it is a very significant fact.

Now if you want to argue that being ranked highly in fewer fields is more important, that is your right.

But Cornell's motto is "any study"--- and the University prides itself at excelling in more fields than any other school.

The 7 other Ivies are effectively liberal arts colleges with a few offering engineering and Penn also offering business.

Cornell is far more expansive and offers its undergrads training and education in fields the other Ivies cannot and do not offer.

Much of this is made possible by Cornell's SUNY membership which benefits the University tremendously, including the recent expansion in NYC.

Anonymous said...

I looked up the numbers for myself. In the current 2013 US News rankings of professional schools and graduate departments, Cornell is ranked in the top 10 programs in 19 separate disciplines. Harvard is ranked in the top 10 in 94 disciplines. Princeton, Stanford and California Berkeley also rank very highly, in excess of Cornell. There may be others as well.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Cornell ranks in the most fields of any school in the country.

You are not counting all the fields.

Anonymous said...

One thing to keep in mind is that, while Cornell and Harvard are roughly the same size in terms of total enrollment (around 21,000 students), at the graduate level, Cornell (a bit less than 7,000) is less than half the size of Harvard (slighly more than 14,000).

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Harvard's total enrollment is roughly 20,750. Cornell's is 22,500. But the game is going to widen.

Cornell's enrollment will increase by nearly 1,700 in the next 1-2 years with the opening of the New York Tech Campus on Roosevelt Island in Manhattan. Cornell expects that number to increase to 5,400 over the next few more years.

Your graduate numbers on Cornell are incorrect.

Cornell's grad student population is 7,000 on the Ithaca campus. But there are another 1,300 grad students at Cornell's other campuses (NYC, Qatar, Geneva, NY etc). Thus, total grad school is about 8,300. And again, another 5,400 to be added in next few years in the City.

Anonymous said...

Skorton's original claim of 47 programs ranked in the top ten specifically referred to the Ithaca campus.

I counted up Cornell's ranked programs and got 21. The number of 94 for Harvard looks correct. Princeton, which doesn't have any professional schools and whose graduate student population is less than 2,500, sponsors 63 disciplines ranked in the top ten.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Skorton has a full media and public relations department at his disposal. He has fact checkers. He was not lying and he was not mistaken. And I've heard the statistic before in prior years.

Cornell has far more areas of study/disciplines than Harvard. Rest assured, Cornell has more ranked programs than not only Harvard, but every other school in the U.S.

Willing to grant you that Harvard has more at the top of the list (ranked #1), but in terms of just appearing in the top 10 of the rankings, Cornell has more.

You can count as much as you want, but you are wrong.