Saturday, January 5, 2013

News and Notes: Saturday Edition

Get all the information you need about the Cornell Big Red's game at American University, Sunday, January 6, 2013, 2 pm, with The Cornell Basketball Blog's Game Preview CenterBelow, news and notes for Saturday...

  • Harvard basketball blogger, Mike James, once again checks in with the Ivy League for Rush The Court.  James relies heavily on computer models to predict Ivy League results.  See what he writes about Cornell's troubles.
  • The Durham Herald Sun writes, "According to Palm’s RPI on, 10 of Duke’s 13 games have been played against teams currently in the top 100. Only Delaware, Cornell and Georgia State are outside of the top 100."
  • Below, links to our recap sections from each of Cornell's games during the 2012-2013 season.
    1. 11/10/12 vs. Western Michigan W 63-55
    2. 11/14/12 vs. St. Peter's  L 64-68
    3. 11/18/12 at Wisconsin (Las Vegas Invitational) L 40-73 
    4. 11/20/12 at Arizona State (Las Vegas Invitational L 53-64
    5. 11/23/12 vs. Presbyterian (Las Vegas Invitational) at Las Vegas W 89-55
    6. 11/24/12 vs. Longwood (Las Vegas Invitational) at Las Vegas W 84-78
    7. 11/28/12 vs. Stony Brook L 53-76
    8. 12/1/12 vs. Colgate W 70-63
    9. 12/17/12 at Vanderbilt L 55-66
    10. 12/19/12 at Duke L 47-88
    11. 12/22/12 at Boston U. L 57-70
    12. 12/28/12 at St. Francis (PA) W 79-67
    13. 12/30/12 at Binghamton W 79-77
    14. 1/2/13 vs. Bucknell L 56-72
  • Cornell RPI WatchThe RPI (Rating Percentage Index) is a measure of strength of schedule and how a team does against that schedule. It does not consider the margin of victory, but only whether or        not a team won and where the game was played (home/away/neutral court). The formula is 25% team                         winning percentage (WP), 50% opponents' average winning percentage (OWP), and 25% opponents'                opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP). (See: for a further explanation of the formula.) The RPI may be the most influential factor in NCAA Tournament seeding. Cornell's RPI rank as of January 5 is No. 221 out of 344 total Division I teams. While neither the Ken Pomeroy or the Sagarin Rankings (USA Today) are used by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee, the site ranks Cornell No. 258 in the nation, while the Sagarin Rankings (USA Today) have Cornell at No. 264 Both sites are predominantly used by fans and the media.

Friday, November 9
MIT 54 Harvard 69 Box Score - Recap
UMBC 75 Penn 80  Box Score - Recap

Saturday, November 10
Western Michigan 55 Cornell 63 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 57 Buffalo 53 Box Score - Recap
Yale 82 Sacred Heart 85 (OT) [SNY] [Conn 6] Box Score - Recap  
Columbia 68 Furman 47 Box Score - Recap
Maine 54 Dartmouth 67  Box Score - Recap

Sunday, November 11
Brown 58 Binghamton 49 Box Score - Recap

Monday, November 12
Yale 35 Saint Joseph’s 61 (Coaches v. Cancer) 
Box Score - Recap
Penn 69 Delaware 84 (Preseason NIT)
 Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, November 13
Harvard 64 Massachusetts 67 (ESPN Tip Off Marathon) [ESPN]
 Box Score - Recap
Penn 53 Fairfield 62 
(Preseason NIT) [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Northeastern 67 Princeton 66 Box Score - Recap
New Hampshire 72 Dartmouth 58 
Box Score - Recap
Haverford 40 Columbia 74
 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, November 14
St. Bonaventure at Cornell [NBCSN]
 Box Score - Recap

Thursday, November 15
Brown 71 Central Connecticut State 86 
Box Score - Recap

Friday, November 16
Saint Peter’s 68 Cornell 64
 Box Score - Recap
Rutgers 58 Princeton 5
Box Score - Recap
Manhattan 45 Harvard 79 Box Score
Yale 56 Evansville 66 
(Coaches v. Cancer) Box Score - Recap

Saturday, November 17
 61 Penn 59 Box Score - Recap
Yale 63 Buffalo 59 (Evansville, Ind.) (Coaches v. Cancer) Box Score
Brown 70 Maine 68 Box Score - Recap
Marist 67 Columbia 62 Box Score - Recap

Sunday. November 18
Yale 47 Western Illinois 59 (Oakland City, Ind.) 
Box Score - Recap
Cornell 40 Wisconsin 73 (Las Vegas Invitational) [ESPN3]  
Box Score - Recap

Monday, November 19
Penn 68 Fordham 70 (Preseason NIT, Bethlehem PA) Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, November 20
Columbia 75 Villanova 57 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Harvard 56 Saint Joseph’s 75 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
Penn 66 Lehigh 73 (Preseason NIT) Box Score - Recap
Cornell 53 Arizona State 64 (Las Vegas Invitational) [PAC-12 Sports Network] Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, November 21
Bryant 68 Brown 61 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 53 Syracuse 73 [TIME WARNER] Box Score - Recap
Yale 52 Vermont 65  Box Score - Recap

Friday, November 23
Cornell 89 Presbyterian 55 (Las Vegas Invitational at Las Vegas) Box Score - Recap
Columbia 75 Wayland Baptist 63 (SF Hilltop Classic) Box Score - Recap

Saturday, November 24
Saint Francis (N.Y.) 76 Brown72 (OT) Box Score - Recap
IPFW 70 Dartmouth 66 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 72 Lafayette53 Box Score - Recap
Army 83 Yale 86 (2OT)  Box Score - Recap
Cornell 84 Longwood 78 (Las Vegas Invitational at Las Vegas) Box Score - Recap
Columbia 59 San Francisco 79 (SF Hilltop Classic) Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, November 27
Dartmouth 49 Bucknell 62 Box Score - Recap
Vermont 85 Harvard 78 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, November 28
Columbia 61 LIU Brooklyn 70 Box Score - Recap
Stony Brook 53 Cornell 76 Box Score - Recap
Binghamton 54 Penn 65 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 42 Wagner 48 (OT) Box Score - Recap

Thursday, November 29
Sacred Heart 56 Brown 69 Box Score - Recap
Hartford 60 Yale 51 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 1
Brown 50 New Hampshire 63 [WBIN/FCS] Box Score - Recap
Fordham 64 Harvard 73 Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 61 Longwood 53 Box Score - Recap
Penn 47 Penn State 58 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Colgate 63 Cornell 70 Box Score - Recap
Bucknell 65 Columbia 57 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 50 Kent State 62 Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, December 4
Dartmouth 49 Elon 71 Box Score - Recap
Harvard 79 Boston College 63 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, December 5
Yale 64 Bryant 62 Box Score - Recap

Friday, December 7
Harvard 49 Connecticut 57 [SNY] Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 8
Yale 56 New Hampshire 64  Box Score - Recap
Drexel 64 Princeton 57 Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 56 Holy Cross 67 Box Score - Recap
Brown 57 Notre Dame 84 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Villanova 68 Penn 55 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap

Sunday, December 9
Columbia 54 American 42 Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, December 11
Boston University 64 Harvard 65 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, December 12
Dartmouth 50 Vermont 52 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 15
Princeton 60 Fordham 63 (Brooklyn Hoops Winter Festival) [YES] Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 42 Arizona State 61 Box Score - Recap

Monday, December 17
Cornell 55 Vanderbilt 66 [ESPNU] Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, December 18
Albertus Magnus 63 Yale 112 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, December 19
Cornell 47 Duke 88 [ESPNU] Box Score - Recap

Thursday, December 20
Rider 45 Princeton 62 Box Score - Recap

Friday, December 21
Penn 60 Delaware 83  Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 22
Cornell 57 Boston University70 Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 66 Bryant 79  Box Score - Recap
Holy Cross 65 Harvard 72  Box Score - Recap
Elon 70 Columbia 79 Box Score - Recap
Bucknell 67 Princeton 79 Box Score - Recap

Sunday, December 23
Brown 42 Northwestern 63 [] Box Score - Recap

Friday, December 28
Providence 68 Brown 69 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
Cornell 79 Saint Francis (Pa.) 67  Box Score - Recap
Yale 75 Nevada 85 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 29
Manhattan 58 Columbia 69 Box Score - Recap
Penn 63 Wagner 68  Box Score - Recap
Harvard 67 California 62 [PAC-12] Box Score - Recap

Sunday, December 30
Cornell 79 Binghamton 77 [TIME WARNER SPORTS] Box Score - Recap
Yale 62 Saint Mary’s (Calif.) 78 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 58 Akron 62 Box Score - Recap

Monday, December 31
Dartmouth 58 Boston College 79 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Brown 50 Albany 57 Box Score - Recap
Harvard 69 Saint Mary’s (Calif.) 70 [ESPN2] Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, January 1
Yale 70 Iowa State 80 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, January 2
Colgate 59 Columbia 66 Box Score - Recap
Bucknell 72 Cornell 56 Box Score - Recap
Penn 57 Butler 70 Box Score - Recap

Friday, January 4
Brown 47 Rhode Island 59 [OSN] Box Score - Recap
Yale 61 Holy Cross 54 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, January 5
Princeton at Elon, Noon
Penn at La Salle, 2 pm
Columbia at Army, 3 pm
Rice at Harvard, 4 pm
Colgate at Dartmouth, 7 pm

Sunday, January 6
Cornell at American, 2 pm
Florida at Yale, 5:30 pm [NBCSN]


Anonymous said...

American has 2 big men, it would be nice to see Cornell's big men come off of the bench this year.
It is hard watching the team pass the ball
and shoot 3's all game. They definitely need more of a presence in the paint.

Anonymous said...

Tired of hearing about the concept of starting your seniors, the objective is to win games. If that means starting freshman or sophomores then so B it. Whoever gives you the best chance to win. In the absence of Peck why not start Miller, Eitan, Josh, Cherry and Cancer then sub according to position, center for center , point guard for point guard, shooting guard for shooting guard and forward for forward. Appears we should be deep enoiugh to have a regular rotation which can still keep players fresh.

Anonymous said...

I just want this season to be over with, and then next season to be over with, and then Courtney to be fired.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

You are wishing someone to be fired?

Seriously, are you that pathetic?

Before you fire back, ask yourself something. Really ask yourself...

Would you like it if someone wished that you lost your job and became unemployed? What about your father, your mother? Real nice comment.

We are publishing the comment because it is a relevant topic to the Blog. But it is a comment in poor taste and the poster should feel ashamed of itself.

Anonymous said...

I'm not ashamed. What I find pathetic is bending RPI every which way you can to make it seem like the team has accomplished anything ("we have a top 50 win!") when it hasn't. I find it pathetic how you spent all day twisting information, finding every ridiculous excuse to pretend Bill Courtney was accomplishing something, or that it is completely impossible for him to be expected to be better than this, what with all those preselected seniors, when he is just doing terribly and has turned Cornell into a bad midmajor.

Bill Courtney is not a good coach. There was nothing wrong with the players he inherited. There is nothing wrong with the roster he has now. The team is now a bad mid major because he is a bad coach. Unlike you, some of us can admit it and don't spend all day thinking that if we twist RPI well enough, we can convince ourselves that he's doing great.

I know he will be given at least four years. So I want those years to come and go as soon as possible before it becomes impossible to even dream of this team ever being good again.

All over the country there are people who are capable of voicing their opinions that bad coaches should be fired. Heck they start Fire Glen Miller blogs. So stop acting like it is the most horrible and inhumane thing you have ever witnessed.

Anonymous said...

AU seems to be a "must-win" game for Cornell, if we fans are to believe that Cornell MBB has hope of even climbing into the upper half of the Ivies.

I still believe in this much!

Let's go, Red!

Alex said...

6:59 PM Anon... it is this type of negativity that sickens me. There seems to be an increased number of posts of this type. Do you think Courtney likes losing? Why are you shooting down the team and BC before they even have a chance to prove themselves. They practice daily, and they work hard. Give them some credit. I'm tired of all these "fans" whining and calling for Courntey's head. Let this team work and improve, and cheer them on! They need your support

Unknown said...

I think there is a happy medium of a sort that "true" fans can take. If you're someone like me (5 generations of Cornellians - two family members played during the dark years) with a long horizon perspective, kinda like a long-term Red Sox fan, you see the 2010 team as a complete and wonderful anomaly. It never happened before, and it may never happen again.

In that context, the tragedy that is Courtney, is that he is completely squandering that elusive momentum. He's done one thing pretty well - recruit from the Midwest instead of against the traditional Ivy powers in the Northeast (Donahue learned this too). His complete abandonment of anything Donahue in terms of offense, defense, individual skills emphasis, and especially in-game coaching, is painful to watch.

Now saying that does not make me a bad Cornellian. It's just reality. I've played and coached basketball for 40 years, and its reality. Pressure defense that yields few turnovers and leads to high Opp. FG Percentage? Offense based on dribble drive and 3 pointers that no one can make? Erratic subbing? Knee jerk reactions? That's not adapting to your personnel. That's not good coaching.

But I always support the team, especially the kids, whom I know are working hard to be Ivy League students and athletes, instead of just scholarship players.

So Go Cornell! And don't dribble - try passing, like an Ivy League team should.

Anonymous said...

I don't wish ill upon Bill Courtney and his family any more than I would upon any coach and his family. But somehow calling for a coach to be fired is different than asking for Frank in the accounting department to be fired.

That's the nature of coaching, certainly at a program that aspires for permanent residence in the upper half of Division I, which seems like a realistic yet "reach" goal for us. That's the deal that all coaches at such programs accept when they take the job: If you win, you get famous and you make a lot of money, far more than most employees in this economy who create a discretionary entertainment product. If you don't win, there's little possibility of demotion or reassignment and there's great risk of termination.

That's the nature of the beast and all coaches know it when they get into the business.

Anonymous said...

Well, has any of the knowledgeable people on this forum who know so much about coaching called to give BC any pointers? Or is simply ranting on the blog enough for you.

I for one am not happy with the losses however, sometimes these anonymous bloggers as suspect. Are you saying that Cornell would be better off with the "type" of athlete that Donahue recruited or the "type" of basketball coach that Donahue was.

By the way, Donahue did leave correct and I would presume that he didn't want to start all over with a non scholarship recruiting institution.

You guys act as if the 2010 Cornell Sweet 16 team (again I say sweet 16, not elite 8, final four, or championship team)was supposed to bring in the Top 50 level recruits in the country with the hopes that the draw of an Ivy league education was more important than the opportunity to play at the highest level all because Cornell made it 1 year.

Being a person who has a kid who plays basketball, one successful season in the NCAA tournament does not draw the type of attention or recruits that is expected by these bloggers. At best, it gets you one or two who are willing to take a chance on the coach not the program.

And for Anon 6:59, if Courtney is fired, I guess you will be satisfied with a losing season as long as your "type" of player is losing.

Change does indeed take time.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:59 here. I believe Courtney brought in the best recruits I've seen at Cornell -- which is why it's frustrating that he hasn't been able to accomplish more with them. Anytime people say it took Coach D five to seven years to get going, I cringe because Coach D did not have the same quality of personnel to begin with. I stated it in my follow-up comment: Courtney's roster is NOT the problem. Courtney is.

And this attitude of there being too many unrealistic expectations from the Sweet 16 run, or that the Sweet 16 run was due to luck and will never happen again, is one consequence of Courtney's tenure that bothers me the most. While Cornell "fans" are so willing to believe that the class of 2010 was lucky and will never happen again, the rest of the Ivy League has stepped up. Post 2010, we have seen the highest League RPIs in recent history, and I believe it is partly due to other league squads looking at Cornell 2010 & changing their internal standards about what was possible. While none of them have neared 2010's greatness, they have set higher standards for themselves & improved considerably, while Cornellians of all people accept & defend an epic decline to cupcake levels of performance.

As for Coach D, I cringe as I see people dismiss him as overrated. But after a 20-win first season at BC, he was reduced a roster with only 1 scholly player. He struggled his 2nd year and this year, with a roster where over 90% of scoring comes from freshmen & sophomores, he has already 1 away from last year's total wins. They have definitely improved over the last few games and most recently took NC State to the wire.

Donahue was not overrated. The sweet 16 run was not "lucky"; those guys did what it took to accomplish it. While other Ivies have seen this & become more ambitious, Cornellians now feel crazy for even imagining a serious top 75 relevant team again that can actually give top 25 schools competitive games, not be humiliated by them, and that routs cupcakes, not plays toe to toe with them.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:16 said: "Cornellians now feel crazy for even imagining a serious top 75 relevant team again that can actually give top 25 schools competitive games, not be humiliated by them, and that routs cupcakes, not plays toe to toe with them."

Really, who thinks that? I think the upshot of what most folks have said is that the 2010 team was the standard bearer, and the young talent on this team hasn't figured it out yet. We know the many problems; we'll see if Courtney can improve them in league play.

I also don't remember seeing a lot of blog traffic calling Donahue "overrated." There was some luck or timely recruiting or whatever you want to call it (e.g. getting Foote into the program, etc.), but I think almost everyone recognizes that Donahue was a terrific coach. He had time to establish his program and personnel, and Courtney deserves the same opportunity. Programs generally go through up and down periods. Let's see if Courtney can get it on track. If not, then I'm sure that it'll be dealt with appropriately.

It's also worth noting that this program HAS given top 25 teams problems under Coach C. They ran Illinois and Minnesota down to the wire on the road. It's certainly been a rough go of it this year against top (and even mediocre) teams, but your willingness to go straight for the jugular and say Courtney needs to be fired after 2.5 years is silly.

The bottom line is that to have a perennial winning program, you need waves upon waves of talent coming into the program, and a staff that can mold that talent.

The first part is clear: You acknowledge these recruits are the best that the program has had. But a lot of these recruits haven't seen significant minutes yet. Only Cressler has seen meaningful floor time out of the frosh, and the star (and potentially most impactful) recruit hasn't even seen the floor yet. Devin is a soph seeing real minutes for the first time. Shonn is learning. The jury is still out on this year (we only have one recruit). If we can pull in a top notch guard and/or swingman, we're in business. (I am skeptical on that front, but let's see how this plays out.) Let's see if these guys develop.

It's been a frustrating season, and fans like us can argue all day about who should be starting and whether substitution patterns make sense. But calling for an Ivy coach's job after less than three years is foolhardy and screams of desperation, especially in a league that's policed by AI.