Tuesday, March 12, 2013

News and Notes: Tuesday Edition

Below, news and notes for Tuesday...

If you get a 1, you are as safe as it gets. If you're a 10, you might want to start looking for a new gig.  Next up is the Ivy League, which crowned Harvard as its champion over the weekend.  Remember, 10 is the hottest of the hot seats, and 1 is the coolest:..
Cornell: Bill Courtney -- After going 22-34 in his first two seasons, Courtney and the Big Red are just 13-18 this season. Moreover, they lost their final six games of the season to drop to sixth place in the league. Expectations were raised to an unfair level when he got hired after Steve Donahue took Cornell to the Sweet 16, so he will get more time. HOT SEAT INDEX: 3
  • The Ivy League Office named its weekly honorees and placed Errick Peck on the honor roll.  The Ivy Office writes with respect to Peck:
Errick Peck, Cornell (Sr., F - Indianapolis)
26 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists at Dartmouth
14 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists at Harvard


Week 1 November 12-Gabas Maldunas, Dartmouth/Will Barrett, Princeton
Week 2 November 19-Fran Dougherty, Penn
Week 3 November 26-Shonn Miller, Cornell
Week 4 December 3-Wes Saunders, Harvard
Week 5 December 10-Wes Saunders,Harv/Ian Hummer,P'ton (Cornell not eligible)
Week 6 December 17-Ian Hummer, Princeton (Cornell not eligible)
Week 7 December 24-Ian Hummer, Princeton
Week 8 December 31-Tucker Halpern, Brown
Week 9 January 7-Ian Hummer, Princeton
Week 10 January 14-Wes Saunders, Harvard/TJ Bray, Princeton
Week 11 January 21-Mark Cisco, Columbia/Sean McGonagill, Brown
Week 12 January 28-Christian Webster, Harvard/Austin Morgan, Yale
Week 13 February 4-Wes Saunders, Harvard/Ian Hummer, Princeton
Week 14 February 11-Javier Duren, Yale
Week 15 February 18-Kenyatta Smith, Harvard
Week 16 February 25-Ian Hummer, Princeton/Wes Saunders, Harvard
Week 17 March 4-Ian Hummer, Princeton
Week 18 March 11-Gabas Maldunas, Dartmouth

Week 1 November 12-Nolan Cressler, Cornell
Week 2 November 19-Rafael Maia, Brown
Week 3 November 26-Grant Mullins, Columbia
Week 4 December 3-Siyanni Chambers, Harvard
Week 5 December 10-Grant Mullins, Columbia (Cornell not eligible)
Week 6 December 17-Siyanni Chambers, Harvard (Cornell not eligible)
Week 7 December 24-Hans Brase, Princeton
Week 8 December 31-Jamal Lewis, Penn
Week 9 January 7-Siyanni Chambers, Harvard
Week 10-January 14-Siyanni Chambers, Harvard
Week 11-January 21-Darien Nelson Henry, Penn
Week 12-January 28-Siyanni Chambers, Harvard/Justin Sears, Yale
Week 13-February 4-Rafael Maia, Brown
Week 14-February 11-Nolan Cressler, Cornell
Week 15-February 18-Cedric Kuakumensah, Brown
Week 16-February 25-Tony Hicks, Penn
Week 17-March 4-Tony Hicks, Penn
Week 18-March 11-Siyanni Chambers, Harvard
  • Below, links to our recap sections from each of Cornell's games during the 2012-2013 season. 
  • Cornell RPI WatchThe RPI (Rating Percentage Index) is a measure of strength of schedule and how a team does against that schedule. It does not consider the margin of victory, but only whether or not a team won and where the game was played (home/away/neutral court). The formula is 25% team winning percentage (WP), 50% opponents' average winning percentage (OWP), and 25% opponents' opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP). (See: CollegeRPI.com for a further explanation of the formula.) The RPI may be the most influential factor in NCAA Tournament seeding. Cornell's RPI rank as of March 12 is No. 252 out of 344 total Division I teams. While neither the Ken Pomeroy or the Sagarin Rankings (USA Today) are used by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee, the KenPom.com site ranks Cornell No. 266 in the nation, while the Sagarin Rankings (USA Today) have Cornell at No. 258.  Both sites are predominantly used by fans and the media.

Friday, November 9
MIT 54 Harvard 69 Box Score - Recap
UMBC 75 Penn 80  Box Score - Recap

Saturday, November 10
Western Michigan 55 Cornell 63 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 57 Buffalo 53 Box Score - Recap
Yale 82 Sacred Heart 85 (OT) [SNY] [Conn 6] Box Score - Recap  
Columbia 68 Furman 47 Box Score - Recap
Maine 54 Dartmouth 67  Box Score - Recap

Sunday, November 11
Brown 58 Binghamton 49 Box Score - Recap

Monday, November 12
Yale 35 Saint Joseph’s 61 (Coaches v. Cancer) 
Box Score - Recap
Penn 69 Delaware 84 (Preseason NIT)
 Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, November 13
Harvard 64 Massachusetts 67 (ESPN Tip Off Marathon) [ESPN]
 Box Score - Recap
Penn 53 Fairfield 62 
(Preseason NIT) [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Northeastern 67 Princeton 66 Box Score - Recap
New Hampshire 72 Dartmouth 58 
Box Score - Recap
Haverford 40 Columbia 74
 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, November 14
St. Bonaventure at Cornell [NBCSN]
 Box Score - Recap

Thursday, November 15
Brown 71 Central Connecticut State 86 
Box Score - Recap

Friday, November 16
Saint Peter’s 68 Cornell 64
 Box Score - Recap
Rutgers 58 Princeton 5
Box Score - Recap
Manhattan 45 Harvard 79 Box Score
Yale 56 Evansville 66 
(Coaches v. Cancer) Box Score - Recap

Saturday, November 17
 61 Penn 59 Box Score - Recap
Yale 63 Buffalo 59 (Evansville, Ind.) (Coaches v. Cancer) Box Score
Brown 70 Maine 68 Box Score - Recap
Marist 67 Columbia 62 Box Score - Recap

Sunday. November 18
Yale 47 Western Illinois 59 (Oakland City, Ind.) 
Box Score - Recap
Cornell 40 Wisconsin 73 (Las Vegas Invitational) [ESPN3]  
Box Score - Recap

Monday, November 19
Penn 68 Fordham 70 (Preseason NIT, Bethlehem PA) Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, November 20
Columbia 75 Villanova 57 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Harvard 56 Saint Joseph’s 75 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
Penn 66 Lehigh 73 (Preseason NIT) Box Score - Recap
Cornell 53 Arizona State 64 (Las Vegas Invitational) [PAC-12 Sports Network] Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, November 21
Bryant 68 Brown 61 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 53 Syracuse 73 [TIME WARNER] Box Score - Recap
Yale 52 Vermont 65  Box Score - Recap

Friday, November 23
Cornell 89 Presbyterian 55 (Las Vegas Invitational at Las Vegas) Box Score - Recap
Columbia 75 Wayland Baptist 63 (SF Hilltop Classic) Box Score - Recap

Saturday, November 24
Saint Francis (N.Y.) 76 Brown72 (OT) Box Score - Recap
IPFW 70 Dartmouth 66 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 72 Lafayette53 Box Score - Recap
Army 83 Yale 86 (2OT)  Box Score - Recap
Cornell 84 Longwood 78 (Las Vegas Invitational at Las Vegas) Box Score - Recap
Columbia 59 San Francisco 79 (SF Hilltop Classic) Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, November 27
Dartmouth 49 Bucknell 62 Box Score - Recap
Vermont 85 Harvard 78 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, November 28
Columbia 61 LIU Brooklyn 70 Box Score - Recap
Stony Brook 53 Cornell 76 Box Score - Recap
Binghamton 54 Penn 65 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 42 Wagner 48 (OT) Box Score - Recap

Thursday, November 29
Sacred Heart 56 Brown 69 Box Score - Recap
Hartford 60 Yale 51 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 1
Brown 50 New Hampshire 63 [WBIN/FCS] Box Score - Recap
Fordham 64 Harvard 73 Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 61 Longwood 53 Box Score - Recap
Penn 47 Penn State 58 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Colgate 63 Cornell 70 Box Score - Recap
Bucknell 65 Columbia 57 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 50 Kent State 62 Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, December 4
Dartmouth 49 Elon 71 Box Score - Recap
Harvard 79 Boston College 63 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, December 5
Yale 64 Bryant 62 Box Score - Recap

Friday, December 7
Harvard 49 Connecticut 57 [SNY] Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 8
Yale 56 New Hampshire 64  Box Score - Recap
Drexel 64 Princeton 57 Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 56 Holy Cross 67 Box Score - Recap
Brown 57 Notre Dame 84 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Villanova 68 Penn 55 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap

Sunday, December 9
Columbia 54 American 42 Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, December 11
Boston University 64 Harvard 65 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, December 12
Dartmouth 50 Vermont 52 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 15
Princeton 60 Fordham 63 (Brooklyn Hoops Winter Festival) [YES] Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 42 Arizona State 61 Box Score - Recap

Monday, December 17
Cornell 55 Vanderbilt 66 [ESPNU] Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, December 18
Albertus Magnus 63 Yale 112 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, December 19
Cornell 47 Duke 88 [ESPNU] Box Score - Recap

Thursday, December 20
Rider 45 Princeton 62 Box Score - Recap

Friday, December 21
Penn 60 Delaware 83  Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 22
Cornell 57 Boston University70 Box Score - Recap
Dartmouth 66 Bryant 79  Box Score - Recap
Holy Cross 65 Harvard 72  Box Score - Recap
Elon 70 Columbia 79 Box Score - Recap
Bucknell 67 Princeton 79 Box Score - Recap

Sunday, December 23
Brown 42 Northwestern 63 [BTN.com] Box Score - Recap

Friday, December 28
Providence 68 Brown 69 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
Cornell 79 Saint Francis (Pa.) 67  Box Score - Recap
Yale 75 Nevada 85 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, December 29
Manhattan 58 Columbia 69 Box Score - Recap
Penn 63 Wagner 68  Box Score - Recap
Harvard 67 California 62 [PAC-12] Box Score - Recap

Sunday, December 30
Cornell 79 Binghamton 77 [TIME WARNER SPORTS] Box Score - Recap
Yale 62 Saint Mary’s (Calif.) 78 Box Score - Recap
Princeton 58 Akron 62 Box Score - Recap

Monday, December 31
Dartmouth 58 Boston College 79 [ESPN3] Box Score - Recap
Brown 50 Albany 57 Box Score - Recap
Harvard 69 Saint Mary’s (Calif.) 70 [ESPN2] Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, January 1
Yale 70 Iowa State 80 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, January 2
Colgate 59 Columbia 66 Box Score - Recap
Bucknell 72 Cornell 56 Box Score - Recap
Penn 57 Butler 70 Box Score - Recap

Friday, January 4
Brown 47 Rhode Island 59 [OSN] Box Score - Recap
Yale 61 Holy Cross 54 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, January 5
Princeton 74 Elon 64 Box Score - Recap
Penn 57 La Salle 74 Box Score - Recap
Columbia 64 Army 52 Box Score - Recap
Rice 62 Harvard 92 Box Score - Recap
Colgate 78 Dartmouth 62 Box Score - Recap

Sunday, January 6
Cornell 68 American 60 Box Score - Recap
Florida 79 Yale 58 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, January 8
Niagara 74 Brown 75 Box Score - Recap
Columbia 69 Holy Cross 78 Box Score - Recap
Army 58 Dartmouth 75 Box Score - Recap
Lafayette 85 Penn 83 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, January 12
Daniel Webster 34 Brown 71 Box Score - Recap
College at Old Westbury 84 Cornell 103  Box Score - Recap
Oberlin 39 Yale 104 Box Score - Recap
*Harvard 75 Dartmouth 65 Box Score - Recap
*Penn 53 Princeton 65 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap

Thursday, January 17
Colby-Sawyer 42 Dartmouth 80 Box Score
Penn 54 NJIT 53 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, January 19
Harvard 50 Memphis 60 [FSN] Box Score - Recap
*Columbia 58 Cornell 67 NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
Saint Joseph’s 79 Penn 59 [ESPNU] Box Score - Recap
*Yale 51 Brown 65 Box Score - Recap

Wednesday, January 23
Penn 69 Temple 76 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, January 26
*Dartmouth 77  Harvard 82 OT [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
*Brown 64 Yale 76 OT Box Score - Recap
*Cornell 66 Columbia 63 Box Score - Recap

Sunday, January 27
The College of New Jersey 33 Princeton 71 Box Score - Recap

Friday, February 1
*Brown 62 Dartmouth 50 Box Score - Recap
*Columbia 58 Penn 62  Box Score - Recap
*Cornell 59 Princeton 76 Box Score - Recap
*Yale 64 Harvard 67 Box Score - Recap

 Saturday, February 2
*Columbia 66 Princeton 72 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
*Brown 82 Harvard 89 2OT Box Score - Recap
*Cornell 71 Penn 69 Box Score - Recap
*Yale 62 Dartmouth 71 Box Score - Recap

Friday, February 8
*Brown 46 Princeton 63 Box Score - Recap
*Dartmouth 60 Columbia 57 Box Score - Recap
*Harvard 67 Cornell 65  Box Score - Recap
*Yale 68 Penn 59  Box Score - Recap

Saturday, February 9
*Yale 69 Princeton 65 Box Score - Recap
*Brown 48 Penn 71 Box Score - Recap

Sunday, February 10
*Harvard 63 Columbia 78 Box Score - Recap
*Dartmouth 56 Cornell 79 Box Score - Recap

Friday, February 15
*Columbia 55 Brown 58 [myRITV] Box Score - Recap
*Cornell 68 Yale 61 Box Score - Recap
*Princeton 73 Dartmouth 55 Box Score - Recap
*Penn 54 Harvard 73  Box Score - Recap

Saturday, February 16
*Cornell 69 Brown 66 Box Score - Recap
*Columbia 56 Yale 75 Box Score - Recap
*Penn 67 Dartmouth 57 Box Score - Recap
*Princeton 57 Harvard 69 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap

Friday, February 22
*Harvard 65 Brown 47 [myRITV] Box Score - Recap
*Princeton 65 Columbia 40 Box Score - Recap
*Penn 79 Cornell 71 Box Score - Recap
*Dartmouth 67 Yale 78 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, February 23
*Dartmouth 50 Brown 59 Box Score - Recap
*Penn 41 Columbia 58 Box Score - Recap
*Princeton 72 Cornell 53 Box Score - Recap
*Harvard 72 Yale 66 [CBSSN] Box Score - Recap

Friday, March 1
*Brown 84 Cornell 65 Box Score - Recap
*Dartmouth 69 Penn 64 Box Score - Recap
*Harvard 53 Princeton 58 [ESPNU] Box Score - Recap
*Yale 46 Columbia 59 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, March 2
*Dartmouth 63 Princeton 68 Box Score - Recap
*Harvard 72 Penn 75 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
*Brown 61 Columbia 58 Box Score - Recap
*Yale 79 Cornell 70  Box Score - Recap

Friday, March 8
*Penn 66 Brown 64 [myRITV] Box Score - Recap
*Columbia 51 Harvard 56  Box Score - Recap
*Cornell 62 Dartmouth 76  Box Score - Recap
*Princeton 66 Yale 71 Box Score - Recap

Saturday, March 9
*Cornell 56 Harvard 65 [NBCSN] Box Score - Recap
*Princeton 67 Brown 80 Box Score - Recap
*Columbia 58 Dartmouth 64 Box Score - Recap
*Penn 65 Yale 79 Box Score - Recap

Tuesday, March 12
*Princeton at Penn, 7:30 pm


Anonymous said...

Let's not put too much on Bunce and Onuorah. They haven't even stepped onto a college basketball court. There's surely potential there, but think about all the hype thrown around this blog about Holt Harmon and others.

I'd also point out that Penn, with DNH as a freshman, Fran D. for parts of the season, and a better point guard than ours struggled until the end of league play.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

This site never predicted Holt Harmon would start or be in the rotation this year.

Anonymous said...

Seriously? While I haven't gone back to look, my recollection is that you told us often that Harmon was a truly unique Ivy recruit - not only big and with a well developed inside game, but that he also had perimeter skills.

In fact, I'm pretty sure you said that the only reason Harmon was not an high major recruit was that he did not have elite physical skills (ie quickness and hops).

Now that player would have made our rotation.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Your memory is just a tad bit off.

I did describe Holt's skill set just as you described them.

But I never referred to him as "unique" for an Ivy big man. He's not unique (and that is not a negative against him). But there are other similar players in the Ivy--- including John Golden (Dartmouth).

Holt was recruited at a pretty high level. He passed up an offer from Utah State, one of the consistently best upper mid major programs in America.

If you are not familiar with USU basketball, take a look at a cheat sheet:


His final four college choices (among over 20 D-I offers) were Cornell, Utah St, Cal Santa Barbara and Boston U.

Reports are that Holt looks great in practices. He just needed another year to bulk up and condition. Some kids come in as ridiculous athletes. (see Shonn/Galal).

Others are skilled, but require more strength.

Holt is very skilled. He just needs to get stronger.

Can tell you right now that the Boston College staff loved Holt's game.

If Steve Donahue was the Cornell coach, Holt would've been recruited hard by that staff as well. Can't say that about every kind in the program.

Anonymous said...

You were super hot on Harmon. This among other comments:

"Some of you need to get a grasp on reality.

This is a MAJOR pick up by the standards of ANY Ivy League school. Again, major pick up.

He's skilled, he's ALREADY big at 240 lbs. and has another year of high school to go, he's between 6'8" and 6'9" and had more than 30 offers already, including from a team that has regularly appeared in the AP and Coaches Top 25 (not some doormat BCS team). He's played for arguably the VERY BEST AAU team in the country and plays in arguably one of the top ten public school leagues in the country. He's well coached, and he's not soft, he is a tough guy, just what we want.

Harmon's only "weakness" if you want to call it a "weakness" is his level of athleticism. He's not your off-the-charts athlete that you might find at a top 15 program like Kentucky. But he's rock solid fundamentally and you can take a guy at his level and go to battle with any team in the country.

We've spoken already in the last 24 hours with four Division I coaches (all non Cornell), all of whom called him outstanding.

He will be a dynamite "4" man for us in our league. But Cornell is not done. This is just one brick in the foundation the Big Red are building."

Anonymous said...

Holt may be skilled and a big contributor down the road. But he definitely isn't 6'9".

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Thanks. You just proved my point.

Never said anything about "unique." And stand by everything quoted.

So exactly what are you saying? Are you suggesting that my evaluation is false simply because Holt did not play as a freshman?

Once upon a time there was a kid named Jeff Foote who did not play for his first two full years of college.

I hope you realize that there are multiple top 200 ranked frosh/sophs in the Ivy that are either not starting or irregularly playing.

Just because Holt did not play as a freshman, does not mean that he is not going to be outstanding.

I stand by what was previously said.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Would agree, Holt measures in closer to 6'7 1/2.

Heights are sometimes hard to get accurate until they arrive on campus. And weights fluctuate like crazy.

Anonymous said...

Random thought of the day (thinking aloud as I type):

What would happen if we played Shonn at the three next year, if Bunce and Onuorah are ready to really contribute?

I recognize fully that wouldn't be ideal because Shonn is a poor outside shooter and ball handler, but if he improves his handle and midrange game over the summer, that would give us a big, athletic 3-5. That would mean Cressler would have to play the two, with Scelfo at the point (again, not ideal). That would give us two shooters on the floor to spread the defense.

I definitely see a number of downsides to this while running a dribble drive offense, especially without a true point guard. I also worry about taking an Ivy Defensive POY out from under the basket. But the alternatives really don't seem that much more appealing given that we're already thin at the 1-3. This would let us play our three BCS players together. Or, if it's a bust, at least we'd make guards think twice before trying to barrel into the lane.

So, feel free to call this a ridiculous idea. I probably won't disagree.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Shonn could never play the 3. While he has a terrific handle for a PF/4 man, it is not quite at the level of a SF/3. He also can't shoot like a 3-man, lacks consistent perimeter shot.

That all said, Bill definitely has referred to Shonn as a "small forward" in the past. Although, that was in the past, and I think he now sees him more as a 4/5.

I think we see Shonn rotating between the 4/5 and paired with either Lamore, Giddens, Harmon, Onuorah or Bunce.

I think the wing stays with Cressler, Cherry and/or Tarwater (who is also more of a 4 himself).

Anonymous said...

I was the one who posted the quote, not the original anonymous:

Re: my point

More along the lines that you have an ability to get us very high on a recruit only to have them either not produce, under produce, or not play when it seemed like rotation could be a sure fire thing based on their 30 offers and talent.

Been reading here for years and you are a trusted source and a valuable source of information for both Cornell and the Ivy League in general.

However, recently it seems like the Cornell bias has spiked almost to high to where we get such reviews of these about guys like Holt only to not see them play. Which is frustrating, due to the trusted hype.

Based on all your talk about Onurah, he better play and better play big next year. But, we won't know for a while.

As far as Jeff Foote goes. That was a very special circumstance and few, if any, players have the work ethic that he has.

Anonymous said...

To be fair to anon 12:59, CBB did predict Harmon would be in the rotation this year:

January 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM
Blogger The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Bunce and Harmon have both. We are talking 6'11" 265 and 6'9" 245 respectively. They are also very skilled-- both excellent passers, good hands, and capable scorers in the paint (while Harmon can also shoot from the perimeter). Yet neither will be asked to carry much offense right away.

Like some of the freshmen this year in the league, both of these recruits are expected to be immediate impact types, meaning they will find themselves in the rotation.


The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Nobody said Holt was going to be a frosh superstar (or even a starter) from day 1. Closest comment was he (and Braxston) were expected to be in the rotation.

Braxston was out all season, so there is nothing to debate there.

As for Holt, he played right away. In fact, he got a couple minutes in a very closely contested St. Bonaventure game. At the point, it looked like he might be that 9th/10th/11th man. He was in the mix/discussion.

Ultimately, the coaches pulled back the reins a bit. Especially as it became clear that Josh and Eitan won the "regular" jobs at the 4/5 with Shonn.

And then Holt was injured most of the 2nd semester and did not have the opportunity to push his way back into the line-up.

Holt was not the only young guy outside looking in. Deion and Dave had to wait too most of the season.

But when Deion and Dave played, fans seemed to like them. Why not hold your skepticism or negativity until they are given extended runs?

Devin Cherry made a quantum leap from rookie to soph year contributions and I suspect Holt will do so as well.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

By the way, anyone notice that in the final 4 games, Deion played 51 minutes and recorded 20 rebounds and 9 blocks? That's pretty damn impressive.

Point is, some guys can play, even if you've never seen them.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that you would say that Shonn could NEVER play the three when that was the only position he played since 7th grade with his aau team. He was moved into the 4/5 during his junior year of high school out of nexcessity. Shonn is a very deceiving talent. Although he may not have played the three at Cornell (I admit I have only seen two games on television and do not know for certain), I do know for sure that he is very capable of playing the three. This I have seen several years. He may be rusty right now but you would be wise not to underestimate the talent of this young man and the coaching staff would be even wiser to actually put him at this position....TRUST ME....he will not disappoint.

Anonymous said...

I agree that we have some nice, young pieces at the 4-5. In fact, all of them should be back in 2015 as well, so there's some real room for growth.

The problem is the 1-3. If you're the coaching staff, it must be a bummer to lose key guys you thought would carry a big load next year (Peck and Cancer).

Are there any other 2013 kids still in the works, even this late? Or is the staff cuttings its losses and focusing on 2014?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

I am fully aware that Shonn floated away from the basket as a prep. But he was also dribble driving against slower, less athletic kids and shooting over smaller kids.

At the college level, Shonn has struggled shooting from the perimeter (the numbers speak for themselves) and taking smaller, quicker players off the bounce.

He has shined as an interior player--- rebounding, blocking shots, finishing/dunking and posting. He's a 1st Team All Ivy guy not because of his perimeter play, but for what he has done in the paint.

He will have a brilliant career the more and more he tries to own the paint on both ends.

As for Cornell's 2/3 spots--- Cressler and Cherry have shown All Ivy flashes. Cornell will be fine in those positions.

Anonymous said...

When do you think we will get some real information/explanatioin on Gray and Cancer leaving the team "for personal reasons"; not to mention the injuries to Shonn and Devin. I don't recall any in-game injuries and there has been really scant info. What's the big secret anyway??

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Apparently you are not paying attention because the information is already out there.

Shonn Miller suffered a shoulder injury against the Ps and played through the injury. Once Cornell was eliminated, it was not worth risking serious injury. He'll recover soon and be back.

Devin Cherry had what I believe was an ankle injury and will be back fine. But it was serious enough to keep him out for 2 weeks, thus taking away his season.

Jon Gray was eligibility and student privacy laws preclude details to the public. You just need to know it was not health.

Galal Cancer left the team for his own personal reasons and my understanding it indeed was a basketball-related decision. No word yet if he intends to transfer or seeks to return.

Anonymous said...

It is at once amusing and irritating to watch everybody nitpick about recruits, that this recruit here and this recruit there will solve our problems.

Somehow, people still perceive that Courtney is a good coach and that what he needs are better players. "Phil Jackson couldn't save this team, we need a Kobe" says CBB.

Do you really think our players are "2 points better than Bingo" bad? That we somehow wound up with the worst roster we've had in ages? That our games have been so ugly under Courtney because the roster is just hopelessly untalented, and it has nothing to do with Courtney?

Even if you didn't like certain pieces in our program, like the bigs Figs & Rubix, Courtney has had two rounds to fix it. Other Ivies have solved positional problem with freshmen. Yet despite the slew of bigs and guards in our sophomore and freshmen classes, none were developed to be a reliable big; they weren't even used until the season was out of reach. Which means, what exactly, that in two years he just hasn't managed to recruit a solution but just give him more years and he'll solve it? That all the guards and bigs we've gotten the last two years are just bad, and the next round will be magically good because ... why, exactly?

Nitpicking about recruits is like arranging deck chairs on the titanic. The major issue we have here is this coach. Yeah he probably does need a Kobe, but only because coaches like him need players that are so good that they compensate for the coach's inadequate coaching ability. Because a good coach can turn Wagner from 5-26 to 26-5 in just two seasons, or give Brown 5 extra wins in one season even when they get the same thing that the former guy was working with, because some coaches are better than others.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

You could fire the coach, Bill Courtney, and bring in someone new, but the roster would have had the same physical deficiencies and problems with the next coach. And the losing would continue.

Harvard did not become magically good in 2007-2008 when Amaker was hired to replace Frank Sullivan. In fact, the Crimson were bad, finishing 8-22 and 3-11 in the Ivy.

Amaker is not a better coach today than he was in 2008 (he was already a 10 year vet coach in '08). In '08, he just had no talent. And he lost and lost and lost.

Harvard got better as new recruits were brought in. In turn, those new recruits made Amaker look better as a coach. And of course, he gets too much credit for his coaching. He wins because he has stud players.

Donahue won because he had Jeff Foote.

And Bill Courtney will win when he gets his pieces together and gets 4 recruiting classes in the door. Right now, he has 2 classes in the program-- the frosh and the sophs. His frosh were banged up, especially his gem, Bunce. He also lost his stud Shonn Miller after the team was sitting at 5-5 and had chance to get to the postseason.

Bill needs time to repair the roster and bring stability.

Losing is not fun, especially when you had the most successful Ivy League team in 30 years. But sometimes rebuilding is necessary.

There is a good solid foundation in Cressler, Miller, Onuorah, Bunce etc. Give Bill time to get a few more pieces and rebuild this team.

Anonymous said...

Agree with CBB that Bill needs more time.

Just curious: who are the top 5 players on the team? And out of those guys, how many were juniors or seniors? I have one on my list (Peck). That's it.

The guys who can return this program to a league power are overwhelmingly freshman/sophomores (Miller, Cherry, Cressler, Bunce, etc). In other words, they're Bill's guys. Let's let him bring in a few more before you throw him under the bus. If the program continues to flounder a few years from now, we'll have our answer.

I'd also point out that even though reasonable minds can differ on whether Courtney is the right man for the job, if you think recruiting is "like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic", you're simply not educable about college ball. It's the lifeblood of the game, pure and simple. Harvard became good because Amaker brought in terrific recruits, not because he's John Wooden reincarnated.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

I would rank the top 10 players on the 2011-2012 team as follows:

1. Miller
2. Peck
3. Cressler
4. Gray
5. Cherry
6. Chemerinski
7. Cancer
8. Scelfo
9. Asafo Adjei
10. Figini

Lot of guys leaving from this list, but I think there are two freshmen next year that would have started or been in top 7 this year.

Anonymous said...

"Lot of guys leaving from this list, but I think there are two freshmen next year that would have started or been in top 7 this year."

This. Exactly this comment.

The original poster was referencing your talk like this. You never know until they step on the court, but you continually make statements like this. Your credibility goes so far down hill regarding our recruits due to these continued statements.

It's not easy to play as a freshman. The jump from HS to College is huge. Projecting how players will handle it is hard. You'll probably be wrong as you have been in the past. But, save this comment, come back to it in a year and tell me I was wrong and Onurah is ROY and Hatters is in fact the next Lou Dale.

Top 7? Seriously, starting or first off the bench? Feel free to point out that Cressler did it and he's not an exception to the rule.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Shonn Miller. Ryan Wittman. Adam Gore. Louis Dale. Chris Wroblewski. Just a few examples of guys that played right away and played big roles right away (and flourished). And those guys were not recruited at the level of the two frosh bigs coming in.

Anonymous said...

Also some solid to terrific freshman league-wide, just this year alone: Hicks, Chambers, Cedric K., Sears, Mullins, Cressler, DHN, etc.

It could happen. It has happened. But we don't know if it will happen with our incoming kids, especially one with a history of bad knees.

Anonymous said...

ANON 5:37pm, if you dislike the overhyping of recruits, then you definitely need to change the channel. Recruits are to CBB what presents are to children on Christmas morning. Lol. But, it would be nice to take a little pressure off of committed recruits and not create such high expectations before they even take their first dribble at Newman. At the college level, there are usually so many stars that have to align for those high expectations to be met. And, mentally, I think it is much easier for the kids when the expectations are not set so high.

The most you can really say about most Ivy level committed recruits is hey, he was a great high school player, the coaches really like his potential, and we'll see.

Anonymous said...

It's worthless. You provided examples in hindsight. No direct quotes of you saying Dale would play right away, or Gore playing right away, etc. In fact, I'm pretty sure you weren't strong on those guys as pre-campus recruits. The posts only go back to Feb 2007, so I can't check prior to the blog format change-over. Your notions of good recruits from bad recruits is off, and you solely go by # of offers, and what their HS coaches say which, in general, is almost always very positive (sometimes there is a nice touch of constructive criticism).

I think you liked Wrobo though, so good catch on that one.

But, at the same time, how good was Van Burck?

Anonymous said...

Oh God. I know recruits are important, my point is that waiting for recruits to save a coach that has been bad for years is ridiculous and ignores what the major problem is: at the top. The point of my Wagner and Brown examples is that sometimes a coach has a million excuses why his team is struggling and why they've been crap and how he couldn't have been expected to produce results -- injuries, personnel,blah blah blah -- but then they bring in a new coach who accomplishes much better results with the same set of kids, and who often turns out to recruit better as well, because guess what, losing wasn't attractive.

If yall want to keep insisting that all the ugliness we've seen so far is not Courtney but is his roster, fine. Apparently, it takes him way longer to get his roster in order than other people but okay. Good old "Courtney is great ... you just don't know anything about basketball" argument seems to be how people keep defending all the ugly games we've watched for three years from this guy. It took Donahue time to turn around; I'll admit that, and kinda believe he had to hit rock bottom to do it, but (a) it doesn't mean it takes everybody forever and (b) it did not take him UNTIL Foote, Witt, or Dale came to improve things; he got Cornell into the top half of the Ivy before the big three got here. Everyone kinda acts like we were 7th or 8th and then the big 3 showed up and we suddenly won; it wasn't like that.

Anonymous said...

Also, people are acting like the ability to recruit players like Shonn Miller who end up all-Ivy somehow exonerates a coach and proves he is a good coach. But (a) the point is to get as many Ws as possible, not to get as many individual honors for players as possible, and (b) when you have all-Ivy type guys on your roster and you can still only barely escape bottom 15 teams like Bingo and Longwood, the coach deserves even more suspicion. A question fans have often wondered under Courtney was how come the talent coming in seemed better but the results were worse? (After the endless bad outcomes, people have just somehow concluded that we overestimated the talent instead of asking about the coach.)

When a team has all-Ivy type guys but are still cupcakes, IMHO coaching becomes more sus and bigger changes can be accomplished with coaching changes. For example, you kinda suspected that teams like Columbia and Brown could improve under a new coach because they had all-Ivy type talent on them but were somehow still ranked 300+ in KenPom. Dartmouth post-Barnett, however, couldn't even buy a player of the week, and any new coach that came in would probably have to gut the team.

Perhaps all that stands between Courtney and contention is a PG & center. But (a) while at the time I chalked it up to transition problems, I didn't think he was doing a particularly good job when he had these pieces in Ski & Coury, although KenPom suggested that the team was 30 to 40 spots better back then that it was even at the start of Ivy play with a healthy roster this year, and (b) I find it very, very hard to believe that despite two classes that are replete with guards and bigs, some of whom were state-champ types in high school, they all just turned out to be useless and/or injured. I am just more suspicious that he has trouble developing players, which is why he was doing a better job with players Coach D developed than he is with his own, and why 90% of his rosters have been magnificently inconsistent under him. We did not have such widespread consistency problems under Coach D, and other Ivies do not have such widespread consistency problems.

Hey if the team does well next year than power to him. It is all I want. But after three years we've had a train of one excuse after the next for how this team seems to have become a cupcake; I hope we won't still be doing the same thing after four.

Unknown said...

Mar 14 - 2:45pm: Wow I agree with that guy 100 percent. That's what I've been saying and maybe not as well. All you have to do is watch a game to see it and/or check the stats. Efficiency stat in boards shows Cornell dead last in defense. Courtney's whole thing is supposed to be defense, and Miller is DPOY quality. Nothing more to be said, other than look back at these comments 360 days from now and see that they are prophetic.