Wednesday, April 17, 2013

A Date in Cornell Basketball History: 1954 Ivy League Title

March 9, 2014 marks the 60th Anniversary of Cornell's 1954 Ivy League Championship.  Above, side-by-side, the front pages of the March 10, 1954 issues of the Cornell Daily Sun and Daily Princetonian recapping Cornell's 46-44 win over Princeton in a single game playoff held at the Palestra in Philadelphia.  Below, an A.P. Image following the game which appeared in the Binghamton Press.


Anonymous said...

HiEcolAnd so - AMEN - We won the Ivy Title, even though it was the EIBL ( as you said, " a distinction without a difference" )

I was on the team, and we'd never heard of the EIBL, but we certainly knew about the "IVY League" and that we were in it.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

You can go back into the 1930s and see Associated Press news articles referring to "Ivy titles."

Could care less what the League chooses to distinguish. The reality is the Ivy League started in 1901.

Anonymous said...

If I were a fan of Harvard, Penn, Dartmouth or Brown, I would object to your use of "Ivy League champion" in reference to any year in which my team was not a member of the EIBL. The formal Ivy League has had the same eight teams for its entire existence, but EIBL membership varied between four and eight.

The 1954 team doesn't face that particular issue because 1954 was one of the very few years in which the conference contained eight members but, in general, winning the EIBL did not require beating seven opponents, which the term "Ivy champion" connotes.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Is there a Men's Ivy Lacrosse Champion? Yes. But does Columbia participate in the competition? No. It is still an Ivy title.

What about men's hockey, is there an actual Ivy champion? Yes. And Penn and Columbia do not participate. But it is still an Ivy recognized title.

Having all 8 members participate in a sport does not make a title any more or less of an Ivy League title.

The EIBL was and remains the Ivy League.

Anonymous said...

The analogies with lacrosse and ice hockey do not hold. Columbia does not field a varsity lacrosse or hockey team. Penn does not sponsor a varsity hockey team. The Ivy champion in lacrosse or hockey has defeated all the varsity teams from the eight relevant colleges.

In contrast, Harvard, Penn, Dartmouth and Brown for many years sponsored varsity basketball teams which were not members of the EIBL. So the EIBL champion in those years (all but two in the entire life of the EIBL) did not defeat all the teams in the Ivy League.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Wow, you are really stretching there. Poorly constructed argument. I guess there were no NFL champions prior to the merger of the AFL and NFL since the NFL champion teams did not beat all of the AFL teams prior to the merger.

Anonymous said...

Prior to the merger of the NFL and the AFL in 1970, the name of the National Football League was . . . the National Football League.

In 1965, the Green Bay Packers were the champions of the National Football League.

Prior to the creation of the Ivy League for the academic year 1956-57, the name of the conference was the Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League.

In 1954, Cornell was the champion of the Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Do you speak and read English? Can you read the historical newspaper headlines above?

The league's corporate name might have been the EIBL, but to everyone on the planet, the league was referred to as the "Ivy League."

Princeton's newspaper agrees with me.

Cornell's newspaper agrees with me.

And by the way, all 8 of the current Ivy members were the exact same 8 members of the 1953-1954 Ivy EIBL.

If you want to pretend that the Ivy League did not exist from 1901-1954, go ahead. And you can also pretend the world is flat.

Anonymous said...

If you want to play the "who agrees with me" game, the 1954 Cornell team is NOT considered the Ivy League champion by the Ivy League office, the Ivy League's official website and the websites of all eight Ivy League teams, including the Cornell website, which calls the 1954 team the EIBL champion and, more saliently, points to a 1957 victory against Brown as Cornell's "first Ivy League win" ever.

In other words, according to the Cornell sports information department, prior to 1957, Cornell did not play any Ivy League games. You can't be Ivy League champion if you aren't playing Ivy League games.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Because these are two separate legal entities, the Ivy League can't claim the history of the Eastern as its own. Again, this is merely a legal distinction without any real difference.

If you think there is a list of differences, please LIST ALL of the differences between the Eastern League and Ivy League. You will not find many.

Only Brown was added to the Ivy League in 1954 (just as Michigan State was added to the Big 10 in 1950). The other 7 Ivy members faced each other since 1932 in an organized Eastern League which the media referred to as the Ivy League. (Harvard was the 7th member)

The Ivy League officially recognizes that the Ivy schools did face each other and were referred to by the media as Ivy League schools as early as the 1930s.

Again, nobody is disputing that the league became incorporated in 1954 with revised formalized rules. But 7 of the schools were in a league together (with no other outsider members) in 1932 and nothing really changed (except on paper) in 1954.

The Ivy League was born well before the 1954 Agreement.

Anonymous said...

From the Cornell University Men's Basketball Quick Facts which is included in every press release for the team:

Historical Men's Basketball Information

Ivy League Championships: 4 (1988, 2008, 2009, 2010)

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Apparently you cannot read. Please find an adult to help you.

Once again, because these are two separate legal entities, the Ivy League can't claim the history of the Eastern Ivy League as its own. Again, this is merely a legal distinction without any real difference.

If you want, we can post 100 newspaper images for the last 80 years declaring the Eastern Ivy League Champion as the Ivy League Champion.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

What some do no understand (or refuse to comprehend) is the Eastern Intercollegiate/Ivy Basketball League was a basketball-only league. In the early 1950s, the Ivy Presidents wanted all sports in one league, under one roof.

The 1954 Ivy Agreement was nothing more than a corporate transaction, a paper name change and the absorption of each of the Ivy sports leagues--- the football, rowing, hockey, basketball leagues etc bringing each of these little leagues all under one umbrella of the Council of Ivy Presidents.

So really, what you have is the same 8 Eastern League teams playing in the same 14 game round robin format, just part of a larger corporate organization with other sports.

But we are still comparing apples to apples. The Eastern League was the Ivy League. And the same for football and the other sports. The same schools competing in the same format as they have since the early 1900s.

Anonymous said...

From your post at 12:25 PM:

"If you want, we can post 100 newspaper images for the past 80 years declaring the Eastern champion as the Ivy League champion."

Yes, I "want" that. I challenge you to post 100 newspaper images as you strongly assert. I am going to set the over/under at 12. In other words, while you claim that you can find 100, I believe that you will not be able to scrounge up an even dozen, of which no more than half will be from a source OTHER THAN the Cornell Daily Sun, which has a vested interest in claiming Ivy titles.

Good luck on your mission. How much time do you want before you throw in the towel?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

I'll continue to waste my time with you as soon as you start listing all the differences between the Ivy League men's basketball league in 1955 and the Ivy Eastern Intercollegiate men's basketball league of 1953.

The leagues are the same.

You have already lost this argument.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Here is an A.P. article from February 1940--- 14 years before the Ivy Presidents signed anything referring to the EIBL as the Ivy League. Again, there are hundreds of articles. I found this one in 10 seconds.

Does the Associated Press have an agenda as well?,5811974&dq=ivy-league+basketball&hl=en

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Another "Ivy League" reference, January 1940 from the A.P.

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

A.P., December 1936, the 7 "Ivy League" Presidents meet to discuss the EIBL and other sports leagues.,4356852&dq=ivy+basketball+cornell&hl=en

Anonymous said...

Are you finished?

To recap, earlier today, you claimed that you could post 100 articles referring to the EIBL champion as the Ivy League champion. I accepted your offer and generously set the over/under line at 12, betting that you could not find even a dozen articles and that no more than half would be from periodicals other than the Daily Sun.

Your total thus far is three, or one-quarter of the over/under line. Are you conceding?

The Cornell Basketball Blog said...

Nope. Go to Google News, select the date range of 1900 through 1953, you will retrieve more than several hundred "Ivy League" basketball articles. No need to post all of the links here. They are right there for you so you can educate yourself.

We are beating a dead horse here, and you are the dead horse. Case over. Point proven. Thank you for playing. This thread is over.